From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.swapon.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Bill Findlay Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Teaching C/C++ from Ada perspective? Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 13:34:07 +0100 Message-ID: <0001HW.20F38DBF004C10E470000C5E92CF@news.individual.net> References: <856189aa-fa00-4960-929e-174f352310ad@googlegroups.com> <2718c8d4-5f35-4fd8-a1aa-1e60069a7a5d@googlegroups.com> <39fce60c-9f56-42fb-b679-fa08810b00ee@googlegroups.com> <3701bf07-89a5-4cb0-a704-5aebb589ca79@googlegroups.com> <2f5e4ce0-94e8-4b94-9da7-045ec90a9b22@googlegroups.com> <9bb99fb4-b9c7-4516-97b5-da41466e96be@googlegroups.com> <1162d6bf-c226-4089-ae2e-870c7da9c80f@googlegroups.com> <2f5399b4-518b-4a2e-9941-2ae267d51309@googlegroups.com> <1ab5db5c-7892-40a8-ae36-ca1ec1168768@googlegroups.com> <0001HW.20F291E2002A542F70000C5E92CF@news.individual.net> <877d0a01-d342-433c-a541-3662736ae857@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net 0eI+JobiCuLW+v2zjdyMkwV/D/kZnHQ0nVdsPehdjR1ZCfPBOH X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:O/OAY79dhh+3EFfcFa1YRbfDQ9g= User-Agent: Hogwasher/5.19 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:53742 Date: 2018-07-09T13:34:07+01:00 List-Id: On 8 Jul 2018, Dan'l Miller wrote (in article<877d0a01-d342-433c-a541-3662736ae857@googlegroups.com>): > On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 1:39:34 PM UTC-5, Bill Findlay wrote: > > On 8 Jul 2018, Dan'l Miller wrote > > (in article<1ab5db5c-7892-40a8-ae36-ca1ec1168768@googlegroups.com>): > > > > > If there is one single root-cause reason that Ada failed to launch > > > on the launchpad from, say, 1985 to 1993, it was this spurned-detest of Ada > > > in telecom, not because of what was in or not in Ada, but because telecom > > > was > > > excluded from the selection process. > > > > There is another. > > > > The right-on then-dominant faction in CS academia, > > who might have been expected to welcome a language soundly based on SE > > principles, > > boycotted it without further consideration, simply because it originated in > > the DoD. > > I strongly suspect that was because of universities' desire for finding favor > in AT&T's eyes regarding coveted Unix licenses (pre-1984) ... (a) We had a Unix licence since 1975, and a BSD licence since 1978. (b) The people who negotiated licences were not the people who decided which language to teach. So no, paranoia about AT&T had nothing to do with it. Knee jerk aversion to the products of the DoD had everything to do with it. > Every college and university (or school/division/department therewithin) > hitched their gravytrain wagons to 1 of those 3 during the 1980s. In your experience, which was not ours. -- Bill Findlay