From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a24:3556:: with SMTP id k83mr2901626ita.68.1555580709509; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 02:45:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:2d4:: with SMTP id 203mr1218630oic.99.1555580709257; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 02:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!b2no128483itd.0!news-out.google.com!r82ni161ita.0!nntp.google.com!136no129187itk.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 02:45:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5f483f72-9213-4c63-b3f9-7150fc4e455f@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=113.161.84.122; posting-account=swBhQwoAAAASyh-mRsC176VDTWaaVHF2 NNTP-Posting-Host: 113.161.84.122 References: <8736mwi257.fsf@nightsong.com> <2590d3d8-5f91-4f59-897e-e0c9b7e1b5ca@googlegroups.com> <5f483f72-9213-4c63-b3f9-7150fc4e455f@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <03d33940-85e9-4fc9-9f2b-2b43f2cfd6af@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Boeing 737 and 737 MAX software From: tranngocduong@gmail.com Injection-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 09:45:09 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:56151 Date: 2019-04-18T02:45:08-07:00 List-Id: On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 12:27:44 AM UTC+7, Maciej Sobczak wrote: > > I know nothing about the software. >=20 > Me neither, so we are in a perfect condition to discuss it! >=20 > > But I don't think it is written in Ada. If it was, programmers must hav= e chosen a wrong subtype. > >=20 > > In the crashed Ethiopian 302 aircraft, ~30 seconds before impact, the n= ose points 40 deg. toward ground, and the AoA indicates 75 deg. As 40 + 75 = =3D 115 > 90 deg., this would imply negative airspeed. >=20 > So how would Ada help in this situation? > What if the above addition is never performed? Because, you know, the res= ult of this addition indicates a flight parameter that either nobody cares = about or that is already obtained by other (presumably more reliable) means= ? >=20 > In which case Ada would be a perfectly valid language there. >=20 > --=20 > Maciej Sobczak * http://www.inspirel.com The addition computes airspeed. More specifically it computes the elevation= angle, one of the 3 components of the airspeed (as a vector in 3-dimension= al space), quite a critical flight parameter. True, airspeed needs not be computed this way. But it must be somehow compu= ted. All flight parameters must be somehow computed. If not for flying, the= n at least for monitoring. The software is supposed to run on multiple (red= undant) computers, takes input from multiple (redundant) sensors, computes = flight parameters using multiple (redundant) algorithms. True, it is possible that the software was written in Ada. But then, the fa= ct that it didn't raise an exception (or even worse, programmers managed to= find a proof that it can never raise one), indicating a failure to detect/= handle so "exceptional" situations as AoA implying negative [horizontal] ai= rspeed, is simply unbelievable.