From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a24:5306:: with SMTP id n6mr4323509itb.101.1555600021429; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 08:07:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:4909:: with SMTP id e9mr61461153otf.160.1555600021280; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 08:07:01 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!b2no158124itd.0!news-out.google.com!w17ni210itb.0!nntp.google.com!136no158942itk.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 08:07:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=113.172.131.50; posting-account=swBhQwoAAAASyh-mRsC176VDTWaaVHF2 NNTP-Posting-Host: 113.172.131.50 References: <8736mwi257.fsf@nightsong.com> <2590d3d8-5f91-4f59-897e-e0c9b7e1b5ca@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <06f55bc2-522d-468e-aab9-d56208363bd7@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Boeing 737 and 737 MAX software From: tranngocduong@gmail.com Injection-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 15:07:01 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:56156 Date: 2019-04-18T08:07:00-07:00 List-Id: On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 8:50:27 PM UTC+7, Simon Wright wrote: >=20 > > In the crashed Ethiopian 302 aircraft, ~30 seconds before impact, the > > nose points 40 deg. toward ground, and the AoA indicates 75 deg. As 40 > > + 75 =3D 115 > 90 deg., this would imply negative airspeed. >=20 > I think that if it implied anything it would be that the speed over the > ground was negative and the aircraft was descending extremely > rapidly. Neither of which is impossible. The 115 deg. is the [elevation angle of] airspeed (i.e. speed of the aircra= ft relative to the air), not groundspeed (ie. relative to the ground). That= 's because the AoA is the angle between the aircraft and the airspeed.=20 It is true that even airspeed can be negative. Negative airspeed is not exc= eptional for acrobatic and fighter aircraft. For the 737 however, that woul= d be an exceptionally unusual situation.=20 Unusual enough to believe that a sensor, most likely the AoA sensor, failed= . Enough to disable all AoA sensor-based flight control algorithms, such as= the MCAS. Enough to trigger an alternative algorithm, raise an alert, or c= ompletely disengage the flight control computer. >=20 > But, as Maciej hs been saying, what makes you think that this > caluclation was ever performed? I don't think so. I think that the software must perform many redundant cal= culations similar to this one. Sensors and flight computers are redundant, = just like hydraulic systems and control surfaces. This calculation demonstr= ates that redundant calculation can help detect possible sensor failure eve= n without a second AoA sensor.