From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a24:1a57:: with SMTP id 84-v6mr17708355iti.36.1526409897015; Tue, 15 May 2018 11:44:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:620d:: with SMTP id g13-v6mr1169660otj.3.1526409896845; Tue, 15 May 2018 11:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!paganini.bofh.team!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!v8-v6no360925itc.0!news-out.google.com!b185-v6ni5048itb.0!nntp.google.com!u74-v6no362994itb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 11:44:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.233.194; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.233.194 References: <1c73f159-eae4-4ae7-a348-03964b007197@googlegroups.com> <87zi1gz3kl.fsf@nightsong.com> <878t8x7k1j.fsf@nightsong.com> <87k1sg2qux.fsf@nightsong.com> <87h8njmk4r.fsf@nightsong.com> <87po27fbv9.fsf@nightsong.com> <87in7x62vw.fsf@nightsong.com> <878t8szdtk.fsf@nightsong.com> <87tvrdhl5v.fsf@nightsong.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0ce3cf51-999e-4913-9f41-14bfc3f28e2f@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: How to get Ada to ?cross the chasm?? From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 18:44:57 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:52360 Date: 2018-05-15T11:44:56-07:00 List-Id: On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 5:21:28 PM UTC-5, Randy Brukardt wrote: > "Jeffrey R. Carter" wrote in message= =20 > news:pd6h9u$tvp$1@dont-email.me... > > On 05/12/2018 11:29 AM, Niklas Holsti wrote: > >> > >> Agile versus waterfall depends on the project's goals rather than the= =20 > >> language, I feel. In some projects -- space on-board SW is typical -- = the=20 > >> customer knows what is wanted, based on intense earlier analysis of th= e=20 > >> mission, its scientific or technical aims, SW/HW trade-offs etc. In ag= ile=20 > >> projects there is flexibility in the scope, the HW, the functionality,= =20 > >> everything. > > > > Agile is coders' response to employers who heard that they should hire = S/W=20 > > engs who use a method: We'll call what we do (shut up and start coding)= a=20 > > method. We'll throw in pair programming so they hire twice as many of u= s.=20 > > (When engineering S/W, code generation should be mechanical.) >=20 > I think you're confusing "agile programming" with the related but silly= =20 > "extreme programming" and "test-driven development". https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/3319051547/ref=3Dx_gr_w_bb_sout?ie=3DUTF8= &tag=3Dx_gr_w_bb_sout-20&linkCode=3Das2&camp=3D1789&creative=3D9325&creativ= eASIN=3D3319051547&SubscriptionId=3D1MGPYB6YW3HWK55XCGG2 For people who admire Eiffel (and its historical influence on Ada's pre- an= d post-conditions), Bertrand Meyer's book _Agile!: The good, the hype, and = the ugly_ does a decent job of deconstructing the overheated hype surroundi= ng Agile and its 4 main variants: Scrum, Extreme Programming, Lean Softwar= e, and Crystal. What remains after distilling off the more-volatile gases = of the hype is a set of very interesting thoughts to ponder, likely leading= to wisdom. (Of these 4, Lean and Crystal are the least frequently known/hyped.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_software_development#Lean_software_pract= ices https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Crystal_Methods