From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,c23311c4d57b937e X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!trndny02.POSTED!da342007!not-for-mail From: "stephane richard" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <414B6E62.9070402@acm.org> Subject: Re: Embedded Keynote Speaker Mentions Ada X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response Message-ID: <0hL2d.762$QB1.501@trndny02> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 00:26:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.44.80.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: trndny02 1095467196 129.44.80.46 (Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:26:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:26:36 EDT Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:3815 Date: 2004-09-18T00:26:36+00:00 List-Id: "Cesar Rabak" wrote in message news:414B6E62.9070402@acm.org... > Larry Kilgallen escreveu: >> > If management allow them to use it in the actual project! > > -- > Cesar Rabak > Indeed, but what I don't understand is: 1. How and why is it so hard to make them understand that C or C++ are not necessarily the solution to their problem simply because of it's popularity. Sure, back then, anyone that would have given any language away would have made it popular (BASIC comes to mind ;-). 2. I think that if any manager or any other person capable of making a "which language" to use decision, if they took 5 minutes to do proper searches, would see the "real" benefits of using ada both as a programming language and as a "economical" solution for the lesser time to debug only. 3. The only thing stopping them, in my book is none of the above. The availability of Ada developers just isn't as big as the "popular" languages. 4. It seems that people have the wrong conception of "development tools" as well. In essence, if it don't operate like microsoft's visual studio IDEs it ain't good. Big mistake to make that assumption. Sure microsoft IDE's aren't all that bad. But in my opinion, they sure could be better both in features and integration with compilers/linkers etc. GPS 2.XX (think it's 00 but not sure) from Ada Core Technologies, anyone seen it in action? From what I've heard, Microsoft can't even begin to compete with what GPS offers to the "whole" development process. On a different note, I was happy to get an email yesterday from a student, new to Ada95 in West Washington University. It's good to see american universities teaching Ada :-).