From: Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com>
Subject: Re: Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea..
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:54:02 -0500
Date: 2003-01-29T17:54:02-05:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1043880843.44251@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3OXZ9.85359$Ve4.6306@sccrnsc03>
Mark Biggar wrote:
> What is going on here is the fundamential paradox of OO systems.
The OO lesson notwithstanding, I still don't see how
anyone thinks they can inherit method implementations
while not inheriting data representations. Aren't the
methods inextricably tied to the data they manipulate?
And this whole "isa" business is just a matter of what
methods the classes implement. A Circle "isa" Ellipse
as long as the interface doesn't include changing the
axes. I think the main problem is that people are
thinking instead of programming. What is going on here
is the fundamental mistake of OO systems, which is
imagining that these things that you are writing in
order to get a computer program to produce a useful
result have all the properties of the things whose
names they bear, rather than the tiny subset which is
implemented.
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2002-12-31 18:37 Anybody in US using ADA ? Mr Bill
2002-12-31 18:55 ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-01 3:20 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-01 7:11 ` tmoran
2003-01-01 14:31 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-01 22:49 ` tmoran
2003-01-02 12:45 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-02 18:08 ` Anybody in US using ADA ? New language competition? Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-03 2:47 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-03 6:01 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-01-03 17:58 ` Anybody in US using ADA ? New language competition? (long) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-04 14:57 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-06 15:53 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-06 16:36 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-01-06 20:47 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07 13:15 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-07 19:05 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07 19:37 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-01-07 20:52 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-08 20:05 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07 21:23 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-01-08 0:30 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-08 20:12 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07 13:11 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-06 18:22 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-06 20:52 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07 13:56 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-07 19:15 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-08 13:14 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-08 18:04 ` tmoran
2003-01-08 18:05 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-08 20:20 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-01-09 13:21 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-08 20:24 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-09 13:34 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-07 13:50 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-07 17:48 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-08 13:34 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-08 18:04 ` tmoran
2003-01-08 18:16 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-09 13:22 ` chris.danx
2003-01-09 13:53 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-09 15:09 ` Raster graphics [was Anybody in US using ADA ? New language competition? (long)] Chad R. Meiners
2003-01-11 19:23 ` chris.danx
2003-01-03 9:57 ` Anybody in US using ADA ? Kevin Cline
2003-01-03 12:37 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-03 15:32 ` Anybody in US using ADA ? | for interrest Mark
2003-01-09 0:59 ` Anybody in US using ADA ? faust
2003-01-08 12:53 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-05 17:04 ` Adrian Hoe
2003-01-06 20:06 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07 2:07 ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-01-07 3:22 ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-01-05 17:06 ` Adrian Hoe
2003-01-02 3:05 ` faust
2003-01-02 3:07 ` faust
2003-01-02 22:09 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-01-02 17:57 ` Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-02 18:29 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-02 22:02 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-02 20:36 ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-03 2:56 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-03 4:11 ` sk
2003-01-03 4:43 ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-03 6:01 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-01-07 17:47 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-07 19:49 ` tmoran
2003-01-09 5:15 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-03 13:16 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-03 18:28 ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-04 15:17 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-09 16:36 ` faust
[not found] ` <roliva.8b4.ln@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-01-09 4:32 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-03 20:07 ` tmoran
2003-01-03 23:06 ` Martin Dowie
2003-01-09 16:22 ` faust
2003-01-04 7:07 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-01-04 17:49 ` Steve
2003-01-05 3:07 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-01-07 12:38 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-09 16:36 ` faust
2003-01-09 16:37 ` Harness your own creativity to Ada (Re: Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea..) faust
2003-01-03 9:24 ` Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea Kevin Cline
2003-01-03 10:11 ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-03 13:23 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-03 18:40 ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-04 9:05 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-04 16:34 ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-03 19:40 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-03 22:34 ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-04 8:53 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-04 11:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-04 18:15 ` Robert A Duff
2003-01-04 20:18 ` Hillel Y. Sims
2003-01-05 14:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-05 15:45 ` James S. Rogers
2003-01-06 14:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-06 1:20 ` Hillel Y. Sims
2003-01-06 14:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-06 19:07 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07 12:33 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-08 4:24 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-08 13:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-08 18:43 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-08 21:54 ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-09 5:05 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-06 1:37 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-01-06 14:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-06 19:13 ` Pascal Obry
2003-01-07 12:02 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-07 3:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-07 12:10 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-08 3:41 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-08 13:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-09 4:23 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-10 13:51 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-13 17:05 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-15 17:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-15 17:23 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-15 18:19 ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-15 19:02 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-15 19:11 ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-15 22:51 ` chris.danx
2003-01-15 23:39 ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-15 23:57 ` chris.danx
2003-01-16 0:32 ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-16 5:23 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-16 16:33 ` One sillier idea Wes Groleau
2003-01-16 17:17 ` sk
2003-01-16 17:11 ` Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea Hyman Rosen
2003-01-16 17:50 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-16 17:57 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-01-16 18:26 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-17 8:27 ` Anders Wirzenius
[not found] ` <h0770b.5e3.ln@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-01-17 17:32 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-17 17:31 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-16 0:19 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-16 0:16 ` chris.danx
2003-01-16 0:46 ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-16 1:19 ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-01-16 2:44 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-16 0:24 ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-16 10:34 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-01-16 18:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-16 18:59 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-17 4:09 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-17 14:36 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-17 16:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-17 17:23 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-17 19:02 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-17 20:02 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-25 1:40 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-26 4:57 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-18 12:31 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-18 22:53 ` Hillel Y. Sims
2003-01-19 6:18 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-19 12:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-21 2:10 ` Hillel Y. Sims
2003-01-21 9:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-21 18:55 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-23 11:00 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-23 16:27 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-25 11:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-26 6:32 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-27 10:11 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-27 15:08 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-28 8:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-28 15:48 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-28 16:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-28 17:14 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-29 8:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-28 17:11 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-29 8:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-29 15:44 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-29 21:34 ` Mark Biggar
2003-01-29 22:54 ` Hyman Rosen [this message]
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2003-01-31 15:02 ` Hyman Rosen
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2003-01-31 17:11 ` Hyman Rosen
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2003-02-03 17:00 ` Hyman Rosen
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2003-02-04 16:47 ` Hyman Rosen
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2003-02-05 12:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-05 15:35 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-04 7:04 ` AG
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2003-01-30 15:01 ` Hyman Rosen
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2003-01-30 17:12 ` Stephen Leake
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2003-01-31 15:04 ` Hyman Rosen
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2003-01-31 15:11 ` Hyman Rosen
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2003-01-31 17:25 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-03 9:59 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-03 13:11 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-03 14:40 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-04 10:11 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-04 6:34 ` AG
2003-02-03 12:58 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-27 16:04 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-19 3:42 ` Hyman Rosen
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2003-01-19 14:13 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-20 8:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-23 13:15 ` please, please, please, Wes Groleau
2003-01-16 19:08 ` Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea Hyman Rosen
2003-01-17 16:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-17 4:03 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-17 16:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-21 5:53 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-21 6:24 ` tmoran
2003-01-16 19:09 ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-01-15 22:48 ` Robert A Duff
2003-01-16 18:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-25 16:05 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-01-25 20:33 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-27 13:29 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-27 16:29 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-28 13:24 ` Robert A Duff
2003-01-28 17:16 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-28 18:44 ` Robert A Duff
2003-01-28 20:04 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-07 13:51 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-08 3:51 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-06 16:33 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-01-06 16:23 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-06 4:20 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-06 14:16 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-01-06 16:08 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-06 17:26 ` James S. Rogers
2003-01-07 13:36 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-07 18:40 ` David C. Hoos
2003-01-07 21:29 ` James S. Rogers
2003-01-07 3:14 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-07 13:40 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-08 4:30 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-01-04 18:04 ` Ted Dennison
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2003-01-05 2:47 ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-05 23:58 ` [OT] Mozilla filtering " chris.danx
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2003-01-06 16:31 ` [off-topic] spam-filters Wes Groleau
2003-01-06 19:23 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07 2:59 ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-07 18:49 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-01-07 20:38 ` tmoran
2003-01-07 21:01 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-07 1:19 ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-07 13:46 ` Wes Groleau
2003-01-09 16:24 ` Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea faust
2003-01-09 15:04 ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-10 14:23 ` faust
2003-01-11 5:44 ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-11 5:48 ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-06 4:39 ` Kevin Cline
2003-01-06 9:49 ` Ted Dennison
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2003-01-03 1:44 ` Bill Findlay
2003-01-09 2:21 ` faust
2003-01-03 0:07 ` Robert C. Leif
2003-01-03 2:51 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-03 18:13 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-04 15:30 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-07 12:58 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-08 19:46 ` Remarketing the language ( was Re: ....ADA ? One silly idea..) faust
2003-01-08 18:24 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-01-08 18:42 ` Edi Weitz
2003-01-09 16:30 ` faust
2003-01-10 7:00 ` Fraser Wilson
2003-01-10 8:06 ` Geoffrey Summerhayes
2003-01-10 10:17 ` Fraser Wilson
2003-01-02 18:29 ` Anybody in US using ADA ? Mike Silva
2003-01-03 0:41 ` David Emery
2003-01-03 6:44 ` Mike Silva
2003-01-03 10:16 ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-03 20:02 ` Mike Silva
2003-01-03 22:16 ` John R. Strohm
2003-01-04 8:31 ` Mike Silva
2003-01-06 22:24 ` Richard Riehle
2003-01-06 23:45 ` Jerry van Dijk
2003-01-07 18:35 ` Mike Silva
2003-01-07 20:34 ` Jerry Petrey
2003-01-07 21:07 ` Dead Fred the Head Red
2003-01-09 2:14 ` faust
2003-01-09 2:15 ` C++ , ADA and the Joint Strike Fighter ( was Re: Anybody in US using ADA ?) faust
2003-01-08 13:21 ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-08 13:51 ` C++ , ADA and the Joint Strike Fighter ( was Re: Anybody in USusing " Marin David Condic
2003-01-08 21:42 ` Ted Dennison
2003-01-09 16:27 ` faust
2003-01-08 21:44 ` C++ , ADA and the Joint Strike Fighter Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-10 7:58 ` faust
2003-01-09 14:34 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-01-09 14:57 ` C++ , ADA and the Joint Strike Fighter (Off-topic) Larry Kilgallen
2003-01-09 17:10 ` C++ , ADA and the Joint Strike Fighter Pascal Obry
2003-01-10 14:18 ` faust
2003-01-09 19:29 ` C++ , ADA and the Joint Strike Fighter (Off-topic) Larry Kilgallen
2003-01-11 19:31 ` chris.danx
2003-01-12 22:22 ` u.r. faust
2003-01-12 9:07 ` tmoran
2003-01-13 4:20 ` u.r. faust
2003-01-13 13:25 ` Marin David Condic
2003-01-11 22:10 ` Larry Kilgallen
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2003-01-12 22:23 ` u.r. faust
2003-01-09 12:34 ` C++ , ADA and the Joint Strike Fighter ( was Re: Anybody in USusing ADA ?) Marin David Condic
2002-12-31 22:38 ` Anybody in US using ADA ? Britt Snodgrass
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2003-01-03 1:18 Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-01-16 11:10 Grein, Christoph
2003-01-16 16:13 ` Stephen Leake
2003-01-16 16:53 ` Victor Porton
2003-01-17 6:08 Grein, Christoph
2003-02-03 10:13 Grein, Christoph
2003-02-05 5:44 ` AG
2003-02-04 16:05 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-02-04 9:13 Grein, Christoph
2003-02-05 6:50 ` AG
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