From: Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family?
Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 09:49:27 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <13c0e25d-c470-4819-9690-439716b66a2en@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wnrkf9pr.fsf@nightsong.com>
On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 2:00:18 AM UTC+10, Paul Rubin wrote:
> Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
> >>Algol 60 did not have a defined I/O.
> > <?> Just curious -- do you mean the I/O was all by linked in
> > function/subroutines rather than being keywords in the language?
>
> Yeah, something like that. But there were successful Algol 60
> implementations, including on Burroughs and Univac mainframes.
> C. A. R. Hoare supposedly called Algol 60 "a language so far ahead of
> its time, that it was not only an improvement on its predecessors, but
> also on nearly all its successors.
> >>I/O in Pascal was flawed.
.
> > Well... It probably worked quite well in the original OS...
.
But it didn't. That's the point. You couldn't write general algorithms in it.
>
> It wasn't just the I/O:
>
> http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/why_pascal/
>
> Borland Turbo Pascal was very popular and apparently practical, though.
> I never used it but I have the impression that it (like most deployed
> Pascal implementations) somehow supplied workarounds to the limitations
> described in the paper above.
>
> These were interesting:
>
> * Things Turbo Pascal is Smaller Than:
> https://prog21.dadgum.com/116.html
>
> * Personal History of compilation speed part 2 (scroll down for the
> part about Turbo Pascal):
> https://prog21.dadgum.com/47.html
>
> The binary of Turbo Pascal was eventually released for no cost download,
> but apparently the source code was never released. That is
> disappointing based on how cool the above articles make it sound.
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2014-07-16 12:25 why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family? Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-07-16 16:55 ` Luke A. Guest
2014-07-16 17:40 ` john
2014-07-16 17:47 ` Adam Beneschan
2014-07-16 19:57 ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-17 11:53 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Luke A. Guest
2014-07-17 17:06 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-16 20:52 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, " Georg Bauhaus
2014-07-16 19:22 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Wright
2014-07-16 19:52 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-17 2:14 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-07-17 5:29 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, anon
2014-07-17 12:24 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Dan'l Miller
2014-07-22 0:01 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-07-22 0:59 ` pincerfae
2014-07-22 14:41 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Dan'l Miller
2014-07-22 21:46 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-07-16 17:41 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family? Adam Beneschan
2014-07-16 23:06 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Clubley
2014-07-16 22:10 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " torralbaduran
2014-07-17 11:08 ` Harvey White
2014-07-17 12:04 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Clubley
2014-07-17 12:11 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " Simon Clubley
2014-07-17 12:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-07-18 2:17 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-07-18 6:53 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Wright
2014-07-17 21:37 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " leonid.dulman
2014-07-17 22:25 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-07-17 23:50 ` Shark8
2014-07-18 1:00 ` Lucretia
2014-07-18 8:01 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-07-18 15:35 ` Presentation for the Ada-Europe conference (Was: why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-07-19 9:10 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family? Pascal Obry
2014-07-18 11:09 ` leonid.dulman
2014-07-18 18:08 ` isaac1.0
2014-07-18 19:04 ` gautier_niouzes
2014-07-21 23:09 ` isaac1.0
2014-07-19 14:03 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-07-19 12:17 ` jm.tarrasa
2014-07-19 14:12 ` gvdschoot
2014-07-19 14:26 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Clubley
2014-07-19 14:35 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " gvdschoot
2014-07-19 16:38 ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-19 17:11 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-07-19 14:56 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-07-19 15:20 ` gvdschoot
2014-07-19 17:56 ` Per Sandberg
2014-07-20 19:40 ` pincerfae
2014-07-20 22:30 ` Shark8
2014-07-20 22:51 ` gautier_niouzes
2014-07-20 23:11 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, " Shark8
2014-07-20 23:21 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, " Dan'l Miller
2014-07-21 1:42 ` Shark8
2014-07-21 4:57 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-07-21 6:51 ` Shark8
2014-07-21 18:01 ` pincerfae
2014-07-20 23:18 ` Dan'l Miller
2014-07-21 1:16 ` Shark8
2021-05-27 6:53 ` Robin Vowels
2021-05-27 7:55 ` ldries46
2021-05-27 16:45 ` Robin Vowels
2021-05-28 7:22 ` ldries46
2021-05-28 13:59 ` Robin Vowels
2021-05-27 23:47 ` Wilson
2021-05-27 15:46 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2021-05-27 16:00 ` Paul Rubin
2021-05-27 16:49 ` Robin Vowels [this message]
2021-05-27 17:53 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2021-05-28 0:34 ` John Perry
2021-05-28 12:37 ` Shark8
2021-05-28 13:07 ` John Perry
2021-05-28 13:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-05-30 16:12 ` Luke A. Guest
2021-05-30 19:00 ` Bill Findlay
2021-05-31 14:26 ` Paul Rubin
2021-06-01 0:32 ` Bill Findlay
2021-06-01 3:34 ` Paul Rubin
2021-06-01 11:23 ` Bill Findlay
2021-06-01 16:46 ` Paul Rubin
2021-06-01 23:04 ` Bill Findlay
2021-06-02 14:04 ` John Perry
2021-06-02 14:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-06-02 17:26 ` Simon Wright
2021-06-02 18:13 ` Bill Findlay
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2021-05-28 19:22 ` Paul Rubin
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2021-06-02 19:17 ` Gabriele Galeotti
2021-06-02 23:11 ` Randy Brukardt
2021-06-03 1:29 ` Gabriele Galeotti
2021-06-03 16:51 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2021-06-02 23:40 ` Paul Rubin
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