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From: Robin Vowels <robin.vowels@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family?
Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 09:49:27 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13c0e25d-c470-4819-9690-439716b66a2en@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wnrkf9pr.fsf@nightsong.com>

On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 2:00:18 AM UTC+10, Paul Rubin wrote:
> Dennis Lee Bieber <wlf...@ix.netcom.com> writes: 
> >>Algol 60 did not have a defined I/O.
> > <?> Just curious -- do you mean the I/O was all by linked in 
> > function/subroutines rather than being keywords in the language? 
> 
> Yeah, something like that. But there were successful Algol 60 
> implementations, including on Burroughs and Univac mainframes. 
> C. A. R. Hoare supposedly called Algol 60 "a language so far ahead of 
> its time, that it was not only an improvement on its predecessors, but 
> also on nearly all its successors.
> >>I/O in Pascal was flawed.
.
> > Well... It probably worked quite well in the original OS...
.
But it didn't.  That's the point. You couldn't write general algorithms in  it.
> 
> It wasn't just the I/O: 
> 
> http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/why_pascal/ 
> 
> Borland Turbo Pascal was very popular and apparently practical, though. 
> I never used it but I have the impression that it (like most deployed 
> Pascal implementations) somehow supplied workarounds to the limitations 
> described in the paper above. 
> 
> These were interesting: 
> 
> * Things Turbo Pascal is Smaller Than: 
> https://prog21.dadgum.com/116.html 
> 
> * Personal History of compilation speed part 2 (scroll down for the 
> part about Turbo Pascal): 
> https://prog21.dadgum.com/47.html 
> 
> The binary of Turbo Pascal was eventually released for no cost download, 
> but apparently the source code was never released. That is 
> disappointing based on how cool the above articles make it sound.

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2014-07-16 12:25 why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family? Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-07-16 16:55 ` Luke A. Guest
2014-07-16 17:40 ` john
2014-07-16 17:47   ` Adam Beneschan
2014-07-16 19:57     ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-17 11:53       ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Luke A. Guest
2014-07-17 17:06         ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-16 20:52     ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, " Georg Bauhaus
2014-07-16 19:22   ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Wright
2014-07-16 19:52   ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " Jeffrey Carter
2014-07-17  2:14     ` Dan'l Miller
2014-07-17  5:29     ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, anon
2014-07-17 12:24       ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Dan'l Miller
2014-07-22  0:01         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-07-22  0:59           ` pincerfae
2014-07-22 14:41           ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Dan'l Miller
2014-07-22 21:46             ` Randy Brukardt
2014-07-16 17:41 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family? Adam Beneschan
2014-07-16 23:06   ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Clubley
2014-07-16 22:10 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " torralbaduran
2014-07-17 11:08 ` Harvey White
2014-07-17 12:04   ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Clubley
2014-07-17 12:11     ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " Simon Clubley
2014-07-17 12:20     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-07-18  2:17       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-07-18  6:53         ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Wright
2014-07-17 21:37 ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " leonid.dulman
2014-07-17 22:25   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-07-17 23:50   ` Shark8
2014-07-18  1:00   ` Lucretia
2014-07-18  8:01   ` J-P. Rosen
2014-07-18 15:35   ` Presentation for the Ada-Europe conference (Was: why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-07-19  9:10   ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family? Pascal Obry
2014-07-18 11:09 ` leonid.dulman
2014-07-18 18:08 ` isaac1.0
2014-07-18 19:04   ` gautier_niouzes
2014-07-21 23:09     ` isaac1.0
2014-07-19 14:03   ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-07-19 12:17 ` jm.tarrasa
2014-07-19 14:12   ` gvdschoot
2014-07-19 14:26     ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, Delphi, Algol, ...) " Simon Clubley
2014-07-19 14:35       ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) " gvdschoot
2014-07-19 16:38         ` Simon Clubley
2014-07-19 17:11           ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-07-19 14:56     ` Dan'l Miller
2014-07-19 15:20       ` gvdschoot
2014-07-19 17:56 ` Per Sandberg
2014-07-20 19:40   ` pincerfae
2014-07-20 22:30     ` Shark8
2014-07-20 22:51       ` gautier_niouzes
2014-07-20 23:11         ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2, 2, Oberon, " Shark8
2014-07-20 23:21           ` why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, " Dan'l Miller
2014-07-21  1:42             ` Shark8
2014-07-21  4:57               ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-07-21  6:51                 ` Shark8
2014-07-21 18:01                   ` pincerfae
2014-07-20 23:18         ` Dan'l Miller
2014-07-21  1:16           ` Shark8
2021-05-27  6:53 ` Robin Vowels
2021-05-27  7:55   ` ldries46
2021-05-27 16:45     ` Robin Vowels
2021-05-28  7:22       ` ldries46
2021-05-28 13:59         ` Robin Vowels
2021-05-27 23:47     ` Wilson
2021-05-27 15:46   ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2021-05-27 16:00     ` Paul Rubin
2021-05-27 16:49       ` Robin Vowels [this message]
2021-05-27 17:53       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2021-05-28  0:34       ` John Perry
2021-05-28 12:37         ` Shark8
2021-05-28 13:07           ` John Perry
2021-05-28 13:28             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-05-30 16:12               ` Luke A. Guest
2021-05-30 19:00                 ` Bill Findlay
2021-05-31 14:26                   ` Paul Rubin
2021-06-01  0:32                     ` Bill Findlay
2021-06-01  3:34                       ` Paul Rubin
2021-06-01 11:23                         ` Bill Findlay
2021-06-01 16:46                           ` Paul Rubin
2021-06-01 23:04                             ` Bill Findlay
2021-06-02 14:04                               ` John Perry
2021-06-02 14:38                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2021-06-02 17:26                                   ` Simon Wright
2021-06-02 18:13                                 ` Bill Findlay
2021-05-28 15:01           ` Gautier write-only address
2021-05-28 14:49       ` Gautier write-only address
2021-05-28 19:22         ` Paul Rubin
2021-06-01 14:09           ` Shark8
2021-06-02 18:51             ` Gautier write-only address
2021-06-07 17:56               ` Shark8
2021-06-02 19:17 ` Gabriele Galeotti
2021-06-02 23:11   ` Randy Brukardt
2021-06-03  1:29     ` Gabriele Galeotti
2021-06-03 16:51       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2021-06-02 23:40   ` Paul Rubin
2021-06-03  1:04     ` Gabriele Galeotti
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