From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a6b:9386:: with SMTP id v128-v6mr12016291iod.27.1531266704081; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:51:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:c744:: with SMTP id x65-v6mr6302501oif.2.1531266703779; Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed9.news.xs4all.nl!85.12.16.70.MISMATCH!peer03.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer03.am4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!g2-v6no248271itf.0!news-out.google.com!l67-v6ni229itl.0!nntp.google.com!g2-v6no248268itf.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:51:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.232.252.107; posting-account=rdRzuwoAAAAyW3CSBhs_xgfCUJSc1aNt NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.232.252.107 References: <856189aa-fa00-4960-929e-174f352310ad@googlegroups.com> <2718c8d4-5f35-4fd8-a1aa-1e60069a7a5d@googlegroups.com> <39fce60c-9f56-42fb-b679-fa08810b00ee@googlegroups.com> <3701bf07-89a5-4cb0-a704-5aebb589ca79@googlegroups.com> <2f5e4ce0-94e8-4b94-9da7-045ec90a9b22@googlegroups.com> <9bb99fb4-b9c7-4516-97b5-da41466e96be@googlegroups.com> <1162d6bf-c226-4089-ae2e-870c7da9c80f@googlegroups.com> <2f5399b4-518b-4a2e-9941-2ae267d51309@googlegroups.com> <1ab5db5c-7892-40a8-ae36-ca1ec1168768@googlegroups.com> <3a162a7e-4e87-4fb5-9b39-423811271ef3@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <16cc029e-1303-4310-8e5b-b568693395de@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Teaching C/C++ from Ada perspective? From: Britt Injection-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 23:51:44 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 3299 X-Received-Body-CRC: 4200165419 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:53767 Date: 2018-07-10T16:51:43-07:00 List-Id: On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 7:20:46 PM UTC-4, Randy Brukardt wrote: > "Maciej Sobczak" wrote in message=20 > news:3a162a7e-4e87-4fb5-9b39-423811271ef3@googlegroups.com... > >> What an incredibly jaw-dropping disregard of history. > > > >On the other hand, declaring that the leading (and in some sense the onl= y) > >Ada compiler is broken and that the only Ada compiler worth its name is > >R1000 is a jaw-dropping disregard of the present. >=20 > It's also a fact: the Apex compiler is/was the gold standard of compilers= ,=20 > and nothing else has come close. I disagree. DEC Ada was probably the best Ada 83 compiler and Apex the best= for Ada 95. I used Apex versions 2/3/4 for several years on a Sun Solaris = host and liked it very much. But having used GNAT Pro with GPS, gprbuild an= d gpr files since then, I would not want to go back to Apex. >=20 > There's not a heck of a lot good about the present (in pretty much any ve= nue=20 > that you look in!). Market dominance says nothing whatsoever about good= =20 > (this is clearly visible in programming language usage!). Here I agree very much. Regarding good, ClearCase was/is the best software = configuration tool but it is rapidly losing market share due to IBM (where = good software gets acquired and dies). - Britt