From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a6b:1742:: with SMTP id 63-v6mr11906849iox.120.1530621611557; Tue, 03 Jul 2018 05:40:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:4787:: with SMTP id u129-v6mr2909496oia.4.1530621611385; Tue, 03 Jul 2018 05:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.snarked.org!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!d7-v6no595142itj.0!news-out.google.com!z3-v6ni764iti.0!nntp.google.com!u78-v6no603692itb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 05:40:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2f5e4ce0-94e8-4b94-9da7-045ec90a9b22@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.195.62; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.195.62 References: <856189aa-fa00-4960-929e-174f352310ad@googlegroups.com> <2718c8d4-5f35-4fd8-a1aa-1e60069a7a5d@googlegroups.com> <39fce60c-9f56-42fb-b679-fa08810b00ee@googlegroups.com> <3701bf07-89a5-4cb0-a704-5aebb589ca79@googlegroups.com> <2f5e4ce0-94e8-4b94-9da7-045ec90a9b22@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <18554067-1382-4b43-a832-2d27aa5117d7@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Teaching C/C++ from Ada perspective? From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2018 12:40:11 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:53528 Date: 2018-07-03T05:40:11-07:00 List-Id: On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 3:00:27 AM UTC-5, Maciej Sobczak wrote: > BTw - Pimpl solves a different problem (physical dependencies) and, inter= estingly, that problem exists in > Ada as well. For the interested reader, there is an entire book written on the topic of = Pimpl (before it was called Pimpl): John Lakos's _Large Scale C++ Software Design_ (1995). > There is nothing that C++ lacks in this area when compared to Ada. Oh really! Read Lakos's book then. All 852 pages of it effectively say: = C++ is almost an unmitigated disaster in controlling physical dependencies = unless you walk the very narrow path that he lays out. 852 pages. Eight h= undred fifty-two. When a language has a problem that needs 852 pages to ex= plain and straighten out, methinks it actually might have an actual problem= (or whole tangled nest of problems) in that vicinity. By comparison, in Ada's entire history spanning 5 decades, no one needed to= write an analogous 852-page tome on that topic.