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From: seas.gwu.edu!mfeldman@uunet.uu.net  (Michael Feldman)
Subject: Re: verdix kisses off Ada
Date: 25 May 93 02:26:46 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1993May25.022646.25761@seas.gwu.edu> (raw)

In article <1993May24.181812.5019@hemlock.cray.com> gbt@cray.com (Greg Titus) w
rites:
>
[...]

>The point we have been hearing so often in this discussion is that the
>vendors, for whatever reason(s), did not undertake certain strategies
>that would have increased the demand for Ada.  Now it appears that at
>least one of them is attempting to expand into a market that exists
>precisely because some other entity (Bell+Berkeley) did undertake
>those strategies (for UNIX and C).
>

[...]

Don't forget DoD, in the form of ARPA (DARPA, whatever it was called
then) which funded most of Berkeley's UNIX development. At that time,
at least parts of the DoD seemed to know how to seed the right kind of
R&D, to get it to the point where it could be easily commercialized.
One of the Berkeley developers at the time was a grad student called
Bill Joy, whose name might ring a bell. He was one of the founders of
Sun, the first company to put Berkeley UNIX into wide commercial
application. UNIX was going nowhere commercially till then.

And don't forget that DARPA also sponsored X up at MIT.

For all that the early SETL releases of Ada/Ed got flamed for poor 
performance, they were never supposed to perform well. The Army's
funding of that project showed Ada's implementability and provided
a testbed for the early ACVC. The C version of Ada/Ed, finally
released for ftp in 1992, is a decent performer that's making a dent
"out there" in the schools.

Compare that with the way the services funded ALS and AIE, which were 
overtaken by events by the time they appeared. I've heard many
explanations for the failure of those projects; I'll leave it to
others to post their perceptions if they choose to do so.

In funding GNAT, DoD, now in the form of the Ada9x office, is going
back to the DARPA/Berkeley or Army/NYU or DARPA/MIT approach.
Let's hope the approach is vindicated again. I think it will be.

Not to put too fine a point on it, those of you who think that
universities are full of nothing but fuzzy-headed academics can
think about these DoD-funded university success stories a while.

Mike Feldman
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1993-05-28 21:45 verdix kisses off Ada deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!dbased.nuo.dec.com!digits.enet.dec.com!brett
1993-05-28 19:20 David Emery
1993-05-28 16:36 agate!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu
1993-05-28 14:07 deccrl!news.crl.dec.com!dbased.nuo.dec.com!digits.enet.dec.com!brett
1993-05-28  6:41 VERDIX KISSES OFF ADA Robert Dewar
1993-05-27 21:47 verdix kisses off Ada agate!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!csc.ti.com!tilde.csc.ti.co
1993-05-26 23:51 VERDIX KISSES OFF ADA dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.
1993-05-25 20:26 verdix kisses off Ada Richard Kenner
1993-05-25 15:31 Laurence VanDolsen
1993-05-24 23:18 Greg Titus
1993-05-24 22:03 cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!howland.
1993-05-24  1:54 Verdix " Jonathan Schilling
1993-05-22 16:43 verdix " Michael Feldman
1993-05-22  0:46 agate!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!das-news.harvard.edu!ogicse!ver
1993-05-21 16:21 Michael Feldman
1993-05-21 14:19 Gregory Aharonian
1993-05-21 11:10 Verdix " news
1993-05-20 17:30 verdix " Robert Dewar
1993-05-20 13:48 arthur.j.northrup
1993-05-20 13:44 Robert Dewar
1993-05-20 13:41 Tucker Taft
1993-05-19 23:25 Val Kartchner
1993-05-19  2:40 Michael Feldman
1993-05-18 23:47 dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!taurus.cs.nps.navy.mi
1993-05-18 17:56 dog.ee.lbl.gov!network.ucsd.edu!swrinde!emory!ogicse!verdix!sfz
1993-05-17 22:20 Verdix " Robert I. Eachus
1993-05-17 19:53 David Emery
1993-05-17 16:52 Robert Kitzberger
1993-05-17  2:02 news
1993-05-14 19:33 Bruce Jones
1993-05-14 11:01 Anders Thulin
1993-05-13 17:42 Gregory Aharonian
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