From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Seeking for papers about tagged types vs access to subprograms
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 09:44:00 +0200
Date: 2013-05-14T09:44:00+02:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1um7tijeo609b$.1gtdijp0acfmn$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: kms7hs$8ur$1@loke.gir.dk
On Mon, 13 May 2013 21:29:15 -0500, Randy Brukardt wrote:
> The big disconnect is that you (and lots of other misguided people) think
> that types have something to do with operations. Types are more fundamental
> than operations; they get *used* in operations, rather than the operations
> being part of the type.
Neither type nor operation nor value exist before other. You cannot
separate them. It is like magnetic field and current.
> Operations are the next level of complexity, and exist
> separately from the types.
You cannot define operation without type and conversely. Your concept comes
from languages of 60's built upon predefined types, e.g. FORTRAN. There
predefined types were given and the rest only used them as building blocks
for algorithms.
The point is that conceptually there is nothing special in such types. They
are not better (no more fundamental) and not worse than user-defined types.
And the operations you define on them are as much operations as the
built-in operations. Operations and types are fully equal.
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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2013-04-28 5:14 Seeking for papers about tagged types vs access to subprograms Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-04-30 0:31 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-04-30 0:41 ` Shark8
2013-04-30 1:00 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-02 1:18 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-05-02 2:29 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-05-06 10:00 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-06 10:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-06 10:55 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-06 12:11 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-06 13:16 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-06 14:16 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-06 15:15 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-06 18:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-06 20:05 ` Adam Beneschan
2013-05-07 7:30 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-10 4:33 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-07 20:35 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen news
2013-05-07 20:44 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-07 22:32 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2013-05-07 23:10 ` Adam Beneschan
2013-05-08 0:18 ` Shark8
2013-05-10 4:34 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-10 8:27 ` Simon Wright
2013-05-10 18:08 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-05-08 7:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-08 7:59 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-08 8:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-08 9:39 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-08 9:51 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-08 10:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-08 11:08 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-08 15:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-08 16:13 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-08 18:17 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-10 4:35 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-08 20:27 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-05-09 7:33 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-09 22:19 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-05-10 3:29 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-10 4:16 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-10 8:42 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-10 11:18 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-10 12:15 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-10 12:40 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-10 12:59 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-10 13:54 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-10 14:01 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-10 14:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-10 15:20 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-11 7:22 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-05-10 18:04 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-05-10 19:33 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-11 0:18 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-05-11 7:14 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-11 21:06 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-05-11 23:19 ` Shark8
2013-05-12 6:09 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-05-14 2:02 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-05-12 6:44 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-12 8:10 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-05-12 8:49 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-12 18:56 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-05-12 22:15 ` Robert A Duff
2013-05-13 0:26 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-05-13 7:03 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-13 13:15 ` Robert A Duff
2013-05-13 17:30 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-05-13 18:01 ` J-P. Rosen
2013-05-13 18:39 ` Bill Findlay
2013-05-13 18:57 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-05-13 19:13 ` Robert A Duff
2013-05-13 20:38 ` J-P. Rosen
2013-05-14 7:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-14 20:00 ` Robert A Duff
2013-05-15 10:10 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-14 19:56 ` Robert A Duff
2013-05-15 4:24 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-15 9:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-15 11:31 ` Peter C. Chapin
2013-05-15 12:32 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-15 19:59 ` Peter C. Chapin
2013-05-15 20:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-15 12:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-15 18:15 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-05-15 19:18 ` Eryndlia Mavourneen
2013-05-15 19:57 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-15 20:37 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-15 20:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-16 12:45 ` Eryndlia Mavourneen
2013-05-16 17:16 ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-05-16 9:41 ` G.B.
2013-05-16 12:35 ` J-P. Rosen
2013-05-15 14:21 ` J-P. Rosen
2013-05-14 2:14 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-05-14 19:35 ` Robert A Duff
2013-05-15 4:11 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-16 23:36 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-05-13 5:21 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-05-13 7:22 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-13 8:23 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-13 19:20 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-05-14 8:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-10 3:47 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-11 0:22 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-05-11 7:22 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-10 3:59 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-10 4:03 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-10 7:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-10 8:12 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-10 15:11 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-11 0:42 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-05-11 6:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-11 7:06 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-05-11 7:42 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-11 8:14 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-14 2:29 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-05-14 7:44 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
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2013-05-14 13:13 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-14 18:41 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-05-15 11:20 ` Peter C. Chapin
2013-05-15 13:00 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-15 21:12 ` Peter C. Chapin
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2013-05-16 12:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-16 13:10 ` Peter C. Chapin
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2013-05-16 17:15 ` G.B.
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2013-05-16 19:16 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-16 21:59 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-05-17 19:57 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-16 21:20 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-05-16 23:20 ` Peter C. Chapin
2013-05-17 5:25 ` Niklas Holsti
2013-05-17 7:53 ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-05-16 13:09 ` Eryndlia Mavourneen
2013-05-11 7:58 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-11 9:08 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-11 18:14 ` Niklas Holsti
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2013-05-11 9:16 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-11 11:49 ` Georg Bauhaus
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2013-05-11 22:51 ` Robert A Duff
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2013-05-11 7:46 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2013-05-14 12:46 ` Weaker typing as a part of the way to stronger typing? (Was: Seeking for papers about tagged types vs access to subprograms) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2013-05-14 19:08 ` Randy Brukardt
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2013-05-08 20:12 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-05-09 7:50 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-05-09 21:43 ` Randy Brukardt
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2013-05-14 3:01 ` Randy Brukardt
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2013-05-08 20:37 ` Randy Brukardt
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2013-05-02 1:09 ` Randy Brukardt
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