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Subject: Re: Beginning Ada Programming, by Andrew T. Shvets (2020)
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On Tuesday, December 3, 2019 at 7:11:11 AM UTC-5, AdaMagica wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 3. Dezember 2019 05:05:27 UTC+1 schrieb Paul Rubin:
> > This is not out yet, but it looks interesting and is due at the end of
> > the month:
> >=20
> >   https://www.springer.com/us/book/9781484254271
> >=20
> > Is the author the same Andrew Shvets who posts here sometimes?
>=20
> Yes, he is. I had a little conversation on the very first edition with hi=
m.
> I esp. objected that he started his examples with using Integer rather th=
an user-defined types (which IMHO is the very heart of Ada). I do not know =
whether he changed this.

You have to understand something from the perspective of a newbie.  If you'=
re new to Ada, heard all the wonderful things about it and then get started=
... most of the time you get stuck in a long chapter about types that go do=
wn the rabbit hole of explaining the entire type system of Ada right away.

Don't get me wrong, this is a core strength of Ada and it's absolutely awes=
ome.  However, when you're just starting out, it can be daunting, frustrati=
ng and discouraging.  It was for me.

My personal take on this was to ease the reader into the subject.  I wanted=
 to give an overhead of how powerful types are in Ada, but not dump the rea=
der at the deep end of the pool.  As a result, I had a chapter on the basic=
 types and then moved on to control structures, methods, OOP, etc.  Later o=
n, I went back and revisited this topic.