From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_DATE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,ffce418d7a49585f X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1994-09-14 08:01:48 PST Path: bga.com!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!ddsw1!news.kei.com!MathWorks.Com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!cmcl2!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!nobody From: dewar@cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Air Force shows how meaningless Ada waiver process is Date: 13 Sep 1994 16:14:40 -0400 Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences Message-ID: <35517g$8um@schonberg.cs.nyu.edu> References: <353sdk$6vu@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au> <354j4k$2fe@felix.seas.gwu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: schonberg.cs.nyu.edu Date: 1994-09-13T16:14:40-04:00 List-Id: Mike, to your claim that Ada companies bet on sales to the DoD under the Mandate. Poppycock! at least if you are talking about all companies. ALsys was a French company which always had far more employees in France than in the US, and concentrated on sales in Europe where there is no mandate. Alsys has shifted its emphasis somewhat with the Telesoft merger, but I would still be willing to bet that a big part of its revenue comes from non-DoD sources (including such US customers as NASA and Boeing commercial). As for the claim that the mandate is responsible for the perceived poor quality of Ada tools (a broad brush characterization that is not at all generally fair -- there are good Ada tools and bad Ada tools around), I know this is a popular view from the vendor-bashers club of which you seem to be one of the founding members, but apart from a lot of rhetoric, I have never seen any convincing argument that this is the case. In fact, you could well argue that the failure of vendors to generate sufficient revenue to support continued improvement etc was due to the mandate not being enforced well enough, although that's also a hard after-the-fact argument to make convincingly. There - that should start a nice thread of diatribe. Perhaps I should have changed the subject line to something more flamboyant :-)