From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on ip-172-31-74-118.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Received: by 2002:a37:7c7:: with SMTP id 190mr18008587qkh.269.1627952718238; Mon, 02 Aug 2021 18:05:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a25:a4c6:: with SMTP id g64mr16296610ybi.173.1627952718056; Mon, 02 Aug 2021 18:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!209.85.160.216.MISMATCH!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 18:05:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=146.5.2.231; posting-account=lJ3JNwoAAAAQfH3VV9vttJLkThaxtTfC NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.5.2.231 References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <369293ac-4e73-468f-9979-4d03093abce6n@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Building the 2021 source release of GnatStudio From: Shark8 Injection-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2021 01:05:18 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:62474 List-Id: On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 6:29:07 AM UTC-6, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > > The biggest complaint I had about GNATStudio was its instability. I=20 > > think that Adacore has made great progress now. It's now a pleasure to= =20 > > work with. > Yes, but each new version of GTK can change that. GTK is unstable on=20 > both Windows and Linux, it is just as it is. AdaCore can at best work=20 > around GTK bugs. And this is exactly why I said that one should evaluate the consequences of= your dependencies: depending on something unstable can easily introduce th= at instability into your program. >=20 > Though Python is 100% self-inflicted damage. Agreed. While Python can be quick and "easy" for prototyping, there are whole class= es of errors that any dynamic-typed language possesses which statically-typ= ed languages do not. The only dynamically-typed programming language that I= 've come across which [arguably] has both the mechanisms and culture addres= sing those issues is LISP. >AdaCore could easily=20 > implement some Ada script, again, not to confuse with shell. They did it= =20 > partially with GPR. The GPR compiler could be extended to support a=20 > larger variety of expressions. GPR is a very saddening example. It's too "stringly-typed", it doesn't leverage the obvious structural Ada a= ncestry, and because of this the GPR-build tool is kneecapped. (As an example, if GPR files were a tightly restricted GENERIC package [tha= t is, a subset of Ada s.t. all GPR files were valid Ada], with build-option= s as formal-parameters, you could use the GPR-build tool to automatically g= enerate menus and guide the user through a build.) >=20 > Customers wanting Python will use Eclipse instead of GPS anyway, so that= =20 > is not an argument either. I see the reasoning there, but what basis do you have for such a strong ass= ertion?