From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a6b:a6c4:: with SMTP id p187-v6mr4211349ioe.65.1525005110169; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 05:31:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:703:: with SMTP id 3-v6mr685267ote.11.1525005109954; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 05:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.uzoreto.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!k65-v6no1538317ita.0!news-out.google.com!15-v6ni2355itg.0!nntp.google.com!k65-v6no1538316ita.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 05:31:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=85.240.223.129; posting-account=rhqvKAoAAABpikMmPHJSZh4400BboHwT NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.240.223.129 References: <1c73f159-eae4-4ae7-a348-03964b007197@googlegroups.com> <87k1su7nag.fsf@nightsong.com> <87po2la2qt.fsf@nightsong.com> <87in8buttb.fsf@jacob-sparre.dk> <3f7a7f76-c5eb-4cba-9051-6b5dfeeb906c@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <37b1df62-1839-4cf4-821b-504059ccccb9@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: How to get Ada to ?cross the chasm?? From: Mehdi Saada <00120260a@gmail.com> Injection-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 12:31:50 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 4520 X-Received-Body-CRC: 632496291 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:51788 Date: 2018-04-29T05:31:49-07:00 List-Id: As a beginner, I'll say two/three things about what just made me upset : > That's fair but that's not the only issue. If no one appears to be mainta= ining the software then it becomes less attractive. Issues can come up late= r and with no one to apply a bug fix, it could be a real problem.=20 Maintaining means usually fixing bugs that are not possible thanks to stron= g static checking. Hence, don't be surprised if the same Ada S/W works with= out maintaining 15 years later. > Software that has not been updated for 10 years just isn't going to be as= appealing as software that was updated a year ago. Why so ? If it still works, why should you care about lack of advertising ? Binding parts do age, but it's the same for every language. Yeah, sure the = size of the community does play a role here. But the language's qualities h= ave nothing to do with it... > I am not a fan of Ruby on Rails but David Heinemeier Hansson did a good j= ob of promoting it and getting people excited about it. Relying on fashion like this is very much asking for contempt from people w= ho do try to judge things/products rationally. If you think that is bigotry= or arrogance... poor you. > They would be fine if they announced they are a newbie or young but faili= ng this, they will get flamed. Yeah, that's called peer judgement. If you are offended by constructive cri= ticism, you better don't ask any help... > Would you want to send your high school age child to ask a question here?= =20 I am a youngster, asked dumb questions, and got adapted answers. Never the = post was ignored. You just don't know what you're talking about. Actually, = I'm very grateful to people here. > And there there is the hugeness of the language. How could any dentist or= young person be expected to cover it all? No one is asking this, and it's not necessary to program. He/She can learn = what they need to do what they want, step by step. I do (try to) program in my pyjama. I don't have to know the entire languag= e, because I'll never ever have to use it all in a project. Why would I bot= her then ? Plus, the standard libraries are really simple to use, because y= ou don't HAVE to understand how they work, but only what they provide. The only persons who are really bothered by this hugeness are compiler' wri= ters and the like, but that's just their job. > VCRs are gone now but it my understanding that BETA was much better than = VHS but it died. Better doesn't mean it lives on, there are other forces. Ah, Betacap... funny, my father worked in it. Do you really think more/better advertising could have change something ? C= hoices are not rational in most cases, and if merely being better is your l= oss in the end, there's nothing to regret. Better disappearing than being d= umbed down.