From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,103b407e8b68350b X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-01-03 10:16:36 PST Message-ID: <3E15D2E2.9040807@cogeco.ca> From: "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Anybody in US using ADA ? One silly idea.. References: <3E147D79.2070703@cogeco.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:13:54 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.96.47.195 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1041617635 198.96.47.195 (Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:13:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 13:13:55 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!pullfeed!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:32497 Date: 2003-01-03T13:13:54-05:00 List-Id: Marin David Condic wrote: > It might not hurt to start over again with a new name and a new language > that patterned itself on Ada - just to get away from the negative > impressions and bad press. But if all we've got is another language, it > won't do any better. It has to offer the developer something he can't get > elsewhere and it has to address a real need that's not being satisfied. I > think "Reliability" etc. are all good points, but any language or language > revision needs to consider what will help get it adopted by a larger crowd - > and "Reliability" just isn't cutting it. > > MDC While I just finished harping on library/binding support in an earlier post in reply to you, I just realized something reading this reply. Java has had (at least initially) the same binding/library challenges that Ada95 has in the current general purpose world. Yet everyone and their grandmother has come out with bindings to databases etc. to make Java work within an application framework with great enthusiasm. Q. So why is the enthusiasm so different for Ada, than it is/has been for Java? The overwhelming difference (I think) is simply that Java is new and is seen as (or was) "cutting edge". Ada is seen simply as "old and big". You don't find Borland (for example) thrilled about selling support for Ada, but they might be enthused over selling Java support. Could there be more substance to the "new" suggestion after all? Maybe the Ada way must distance itself from: - the Military association - the US assocation(?) - the committee association - the being "old" asociation - the being "big and clumsy" association and maybe it just needs to be resold as : - the latest new computer science theory of "reliable computing" (even though the solution was well understood in ages past ;-) Just like in science where the theory is often not well accepted until the author of it passes away, we may need to have Ada reborn to have it gain acceptance. ;-) -- Warren W. Gay VE3WWG http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg