From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.182.20.17 with SMTP id j17mr12272920obe.24.1404675688795; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 12:41:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.37.150 with SMTP id r22mr474039qgr.3.1404675688773; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 12:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!uq10no2169111igb.0!news-out.google.com!a8ni6410qaq.1!nntp.google.com!w8no6485071qac.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 12:41:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <72b1318a-2eb6-4129-af9b-5bcfbb329c5b@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=206.53.78.59; posting-account=ShYTIAoAAABytvcS76ZrG9GdaV-nXYKy NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.78.59 References: <72b1318a-2eb6-4129-af9b-5bcfbb329c5b@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3dcb7839-3003-4fcd-afb6-3369f715102b@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Ada's ranking of popularity at IEEE Spectrum From: sbelmont700@gmail.com Injection-Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2014 19:41:28 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 2133 X-Received-Body-CRC: 3625028252 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:20750 Date: 2014-07-06T12:41:28-07:00 List-Id: On Sunday, July 6, 2014 11:19:04 AM UTC-4, Dan'l Miller wrote: > > The over-arching goal of Ada202X should be to figure out how to attract m= ore developers, both grand visions and low-hanging fruit.=20 > Making Ada "more popular" is a catch-22. IMHO, most of the reason Ada is u= npopular is because it does not play well with others, which you really can= 't fix. Components follow the inherently unsafe patterns established by th= e languages they are written in (i.e. ANSI C), and even "good" API's are ju= st naturally "Un-Adalike". Writing a thin binding just gets you unsafe C c= ode in Ada, in which case you gain nothing, and writing a thick binding is = so much work reinventing the wheel that it becomes prohibitive (and ends up= being a totally new API). So, unfortunately, Ada will only ever "work rig= ht" when you can build everything yourself, from scratch, and can justify t= he cost of doing so (basically, safety critical systems). -sb