From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,700e3c547aedfa54 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-03-20 06:26:54 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: dennison@telepath.com (Ted Dennison) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada? Date: 20 Mar 2002 06:26:54 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Message-ID: <4519e058.0203200626.1e01caca@posting.google.com> References: <4ezc8.1103$48.60681@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com> <3c78167e.3219289@news.cis.dfn.de> <98104da8.0202270726.97da933@posting.google.com> <4519e058.0203191257.2f26d688@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.115.221.98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1016634414 23060 127.0.0.1 (20 Mar 2002 14:26:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Mar 2002 14:26:54 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:21488 Date: 2002-03-20T14:26:54+00:00 List-Id: Dan Andreatta wrote in message news:... > Dunno in IT, but in chemistry/physics/others you have to be a citizen or a > foreign national to work in a national lab (like Livermore or Los Alamos). > A visa is not enough (B, J, whatever). Of course, you need clearance. Well, I should be a bit more specific and say that being a US citizen is *not* a requirement for getting a clearance. However, there are a lot of classified jobs that are also "noforn" (no foriegn nationals). I had one job where we had to stamp "noforn" on all documents, printouts, and notes we made. Oddly, that was the one where I had 3 fellow developers who were born in communist countries though. :-) As the above anecdote implies, one does not have to be US-born for even the most classified of jobs. But becomming a citizen can take many years (>10). However, this level of secrecy is not common, and the lesser levels have little problem with foriegn workers. I've only worked on 3 jobs that required clearances, and the one above was the only one where I actually had to handle classified material. Perhaps some government agencies have trouble with foriegn nationals (I wouldn't know), but most of the action is with the contractors anyway. :-) The biggest worry I'd have for someone comming over here to work would be the "green card servitude" issue. Getting your green card can take quite a while (my lebaneese coworker was waiting for 14 years), and you are only allowed to be here in the meantime if you are working for someone. That makes for great leverage for your employer, since if the mood strikes them they can fire you, then call INS and have you deported (since you aren't working for anyone any more). Some companies are moral and restrain themselves from abusing this power, but not all of them. I've heard some real horror stories. -- T.E.D. Home - mailto:dennison@telepath.com (Yahoo: Ted_Dennison) Homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html