From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a24:1a51:: with SMTP id 78-v6mr8128728iti.19.1531116781532; Sun, 08 Jul 2018 23:13:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:c744:: with SMTP id x65-v6mr4598391oif.2.1531116781247; Sun, 08 Jul 2018 23:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.uzoreto.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!d7-v6no6200270itj.0!news-out.google.com!l67-v6ni6455itl.0!nntp.google.com!g2-v6no3129456itf.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 23:13:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <40511d29-6469-4ce3-a948-e4a79196968c@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=194.9.244.34; posting-account=bMuEOQoAAACUUr_ghL3RBIi5neBZ5w_S NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.9.244.34 References: <856189aa-fa00-4960-929e-174f352310ad@googlegroups.com> <2718c8d4-5f35-4fd8-a1aa-1e60069a7a5d@googlegroups.com> <39fce60c-9f56-42fb-b679-fa08810b00ee@googlegroups.com> <3701bf07-89a5-4cb0-a704-5aebb589ca79@googlegroups.com> <2f5e4ce0-94e8-4b94-9da7-045ec90a9b22@googlegroups.com> <9bb99fb4-b9c7-4516-97b5-da41466e96be@googlegroups.com> <1162d6bf-c226-4089-ae2e-870c7da9c80f@googlegroups.com> <2f5399b4-518b-4a2e-9941-2ae267d51309@googlegroups.com> <1ab5db5c-7892-40a8-ae36-ca1ec1168768@googlegroups.com> <3a162a7e-4e87-4fb5-9b39-423811271ef3@googlegroups.com> <40511d29-6469-4ce3-a948-e4a79196968c@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5a381f9e-85ed-4283-96c0-d49d30c0971b@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Teaching C/C++ from Ada perspective? From: Maciej Sobczak Injection-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 06:13:01 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:53740 Date: 2018-07-08T23:13:01-07:00 List-Id: > > You might consider C >=20 > You misspoke there: C++, not C. Actually, no, I really meant C, not C++ in that very sentence. In the next = sentence I have mentioned code generation by model-based design and it seem= s that C is a more common target choice. > You say this only because not one single entity on the planet ever wrote = another/better set of requirements of what is and is not a scientifically-b= ased measurement system of a programming language that facilitates software= engineering. I have explained that I don't need a *single* measure and since the art of = software engineering is apparently multi-dimensional, I don't expect a *sin= gle* measure to exist in the first place. And if you want something "better= ", you first need another measure to objectively compare different measures= in order to decide which measure is better. This leads nowhere. > I gave 125 examples of weak spots in C++ accumulated over 3 books by Scot= t Meyers. For me these are advices on how to write good software in C++ (from which s= ome are already outdated and some apply to Ada, too). And I have an impress= ion that the biggest threat to your religion is that people actually can wr= ite good software in C++. Which is why the OP was asked to teach it. > The ultimate goal is 1) to get people to run away from C++ as fast as the= y can Did you actually succeeded with this goal? I doubt it. On the other hand, I= *have* spread the knowledge of Ada in my workplace. But not by hatred to a= nything or anybody. Sorry, this discussion is not useful. --=20 Maciej Sobczak * http://www.inspirel.com