From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.42.10.66 with SMTP id p2mr7685405icp.28.1406040071049; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:41:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.40.201 with SMTP id z9mr22566obk.22.1406040070935; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!news.ripco.com!news.glorb.com!h18no5585561igc.0!news-out.google.com!eg1ni0igc.0!nntp.google.com!h18no3163267igc.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:41:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=173.57.209.48; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 173.57.209.48 References: <4391ef39-f68e-426e-9947-1a3b1b397f5b@googlegroups.com> <6973f703-a6d8-4ba2-bf0d-8ef2eec706d3@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5d9cd056-b36b-4448-be8d-a8bafbaa6d81@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 14:41:10 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:21142 Date: 2014-07-22T07:41:10-07:00 List-Id: On Monday, July 21, 2014 7:01:20 PM UTC-5, Randy Brukardt wrote: > "Dan'l Miller" wrote in message: > > There actually does exist a GUI library written entirely in Ada for Ada= :=20 > > Gnavi. >=20 > You misspelled "Claw". ;-) GNavi exists mainly because the authors didn't= =20 > like our design for Claw. Which has been a long-standing problem with Ada= -- =20 > too many choices never quite finished, rather than one library that most= =20 > people use and extend. Randy, you make it sound as though Gnavi is a fork of Claw or some other di= rect derivative work, by making the reference to misspelling (a rose by any= other name is just a sweet). Perhaps some of the developers of Gnavi were= first Claw users, but it seems they simply designed a competitor rather th= an a derivative work. Or was now-EULA-licensed Claw open source at one poi= nt in the past? Conversely, point well taken that Claw doesn't get enough exposure either. = The more the merrier to reach critical mass for Ada. Ada in its current s= tate needs to advertise its accomplishments (e.g., libraries available writ= ten in Ada; titles of apps written in Ada; well-maintained actively-maintai= ned thick Ada bindings to foreign libraries). Ada in its future Ada202X st= ate needs to facilitate more accomplishments easier (e.g., better interlang= uage Conventions, such as to Lua, Python, Perl, Swift, Go, the low-hanging = fruit in C++; increased usage of pre- & post-conditions for more declarativ= e coding; aspect-oriented programming, such as merging ASIS into the compil= er to make ASIS available at compile-time).