From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.5-pre1 (2020-06-20) on ip-172-31-74-118.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.5-pre1 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeder1.feed.usenet.farm!feed.usenet.farm!news.uzoreto.com!news.muarf.org!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-1.proxad.net!cleanfeed1-b.proxad.net!nnrp1-1.free.fr!not-for-mail Subject: Re: AdaCore's survey regarding the future of GNAT Community Edition Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <52baf1e5-f0a5-42be-acc7-75fb17fb6f4co@googlegroups.com> From: DrPi <314@drpi.fr> Autocrypt: addr=314@drpi.fr; keydata= mQENBF32JxoBCADDRN+UICv8kctOM5Og8oEKuUptvEIj85W+QdBwnuhh4vd4dvEORT0lAho9 CgLLCsHVjfyKLppOmmv0DJ35r6Xb0/VIGcjbKou0Ghj38JbqDHWip2MTQoRO26fHryUBaUGx WBDgRpHjxCN7dsVdos64PAT7oYrZdsfanCVFOZRBlKPs7swzEMcFEcnGeYRq4SZ8sHobvqx/ FAFfBF5GU0hIxqEgj8W0ClXnCjJHEJ+CDwEJqQjxVB+zRpy1omg+qh65GiaaZcrrzILqLhcK +iI+K+7fTUNvpZEyX73PV0KtxhQSg9WXIglMf+d0fWKirvazEARbEVtiu1X/gNyQSzwXABEB AAG0HU5pY29sYXNQSSA8ZHIucGlAbGFwb3N0ZS5uZXQ+iQFUBBMBCAA+FiEEUWtEtxrU+o6J atl0rudALSLxmhUFAl32Jx0CGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ rudALSLxmhVcLAf+O00kuRMbhXBapJqnxr0IETu3Ae0FUIA+99J+Z8M/VB/PoWbbIo5UfsXS VRcvRoVS9VMgfRarR81BLzJGvfA2fpQJNQbR0b+CILum3EdwaRFfSHI/Jt5jhQjRNzntWAQ6 ZjX/XR7TmyFd7m+Wu0QMXdl+EHSNnXu8pF31GOx4Pq1nULdPexZrYMMq7NuqdvkU0sQR54m2 rE5czaId4WPg1IboGNH0R6sxikBsi2xCNBp5OSmklBJg4fzftQVkj9AKJTQhOEfMqrbLw/o7 18wOhUMr7LOoNALQWl0SWzzzTnUGbduIO7v8xnjqCTSD6nb6eMDrmrcVo7QoMkGE/16m0bkB DQRd9iccAQgAqkHGNGnw+X/ROIaFsvvxiiIJYua5Hud93U27qkeg+alKdxq5qe9jZ1FHUb3h rj619JAC19UDMTJWHE4NFJxNVilbYmEYiPMTxtapCocERdbOGK7iVkCmCUeP03L4EYaW0bop lVUUrxCksS6j72iPh4GGoVUe1tRVZMiyWzC62GJ3Zu9eoD8ZAfjCdhPl/j+Jk1I4LKb898GM 4rAdltzmIDTQ622mTMCEvhemofLe45hVp+ZgZKcC/8bM1eI0M/0q58PjfPbIR6DAewJYklkK KKmG0LsBCA5cNycLA9Y6AykdA+yH2KDvu4RTbctiQgjA0FsmuShcTFL1ZZmB0EYopwARAQAB iQE8BBgBCAAmFiEEUWtEtxrU+o6Jatl0rudALSLxmhUFAl32JxwCGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQrudA LSLxmhWJOAgAkD7ftl/cptFobPuu/1ntMD+Bzunsjz4+dXIg/znqcfPy537lCpLwElsxyWWk pyDmKCi3PdrBlf2tVI0LAfH7bJ46yIfg8z+2mQ7xfUfeZUcdCKX4yehV6QoGCpnOFEjFu5F/ fPh/HnPhENmKglCcRrpE9yeLG0unarwHvn0nTUuCFH4K5ciUdxPT2Rq2Zb+gMLvkOFJqh/DD +IIgwuvOoZ2FC61czsnocTF81l9+DXRM95atvCpB5zX1ri442nfkOHuF063NyPOKViLXxkSC ysOf87EAAPLM6UasJn84VveZpkCHdihc3DoTnn9OwxOgF/z1wRyJk+kBY4pw40x6lw== Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:07:48 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <52baf1e5-f0a5-42be-acc7-75fb17fb6f4co@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <5f1e8b54$0$5873$426a74cc@news.free.fr> Organization: Guest of ProXad - France NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jul 2020 10:07:49 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.65.30.55 X-Trace: 1595837269 news-1.free.fr 5873 82.65.30.55:58061 X-Complaints-To: abuse@proxad.net Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:59539 List-Id: Le 24/07/2020 à 23:42, Wesley Pan a écrit : > I just discovered this via Ada Planet... > > Link to the Google Docs survey: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSet9x3UNUFmfWt5v-8Jb7dW8BgKiJxyEMJ_TFm0G2UJKx5OmQ/viewform > > Reddit discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/ada/comments/hwgbwa/survey_on_the_future_of_gnat_community/ > > > Survey summary reproduced below... > > > GNAT Ecosystem Community Survey > > Hello Ada supporters, > > We are writing this message here to present, discuss and get feedback on a plan that we at AdaCore want to put in place. Over the next couple of years, we want to experiment with an evolution of the GNAT ecosystem and would like your help. > > So far, there are three grand families of GNAT releases: > > - GNAT Pro: An AdaCore release with professional support and high level quality assurance. Available on many different targets (PowerPC, Leon, vxWorks, etc.). > > - GNAT Community: An AdaCore release with a lower level of quality assurance, less targets, and a pure GPL license for the run-time. > > - GNAT FSF: community built compiler from the FSF source tree. Available from Linux distributions or Msys2 on Windows, for instance. > > Moving forward, we are looking to simplify the situation and remove GNAT Community from the picture. > > The plan is to reach a point where AdaCore would not release GNAT Community compilers and instead instruct non-professional users to use GNAT FSF builds. We would still keep making GNAT Studio and SPARK releases, and libraries such as AWS and xmlada will be available in the Alire package manager (http://alire.ada.dev). With this plan we also want to invest some more time to help the maintainers of GNAT packages in Linux, BSD, or Windows (msys2) distributions, for instance, and potentially contribute when necessary. Our intention is to contribute to various communities building GNAT packages so that what can be done today with GNAT Community will be doable tomorrow from these community-led builds. > > Why are we working on this plan? > > We have noticed that GNAT Community's pure GPL license on the run-time is seen as a barrier to new Ada users. More specifically, understanding the consequences of the GPL licence is complex. The result is that newcomers will often be introduced to Ada/SPARK by a legal licence discussion rather than looking at the value of the technology. This will, understandably, scare people off. > > On top of this, we are witnessing a widespread misunderstanding around the openness of the Ada language and the GNAT compiler, some people seem to think that Ada and GNAT are proprietary technologies. We see this phenomenon as detrimental to the growth of the Ada community. Of course this misunderstanding will not fade in a couple days, but we think that removing GNAT Community will make the situation clearer and will allow us to better communicate on the situation of the Ada compiler ecosystem. > > Besides general comments and discussion around this plan, we would appreciate your feedback in this survey form. Please help us spread the word. The more feedback we get, the more we will be able to move in the right direction. > What about Ada for microcontrollers ?