From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:a87:: with SMTP id v7mr6067180qkg.357.1575391839303; Tue, 03 Dec 2019 08:50:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:aca:52c7:: with SMTP id g190mr4255840oib.84.1575391838959; Tue, 03 Dec 2019 08:50:38 -0800 (PST) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!weretis.net!feeder7.news.weretis.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!209.85.160.216.MISMATCH!g89no1784548qtd.0!news-out.google.com!w29ni89qtc.0!nntp.google.com!g89no1784544qtd.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 08:50:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <80bcdfd1-b1e5-4ebf-aa8a-4beaba5ec3c2@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2a02:c7d:3c35:b000:325a:3aff:fe0f:37a5; posting-account=L2-UcQkAAAAfd_BqbeNHs3XeM0jTXloS NNTP-Posting-Host: 2a02:c7d:3c35:b000:325a:3aff:fe0f:37a5 References: <87muca3vgd.fsf@nightsong.com> <57d49047-0a61-4d13-8822-d004732a3acc@googlegroups.com> <3b1b248b-43d0-4762-b1f5-1c5460d24c8b@googlegroups.com> <5e222e6c-7afe-4349-ac66-d9b78ca40ec6@googlegroups.com> <27b11294-d628-4118-8328-a4a9a3946937@googlegroups.com> <80bcdfd1-b1e5-4ebf-aa8a-4beaba5ec3c2@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <60e61003-409d-4bd5-9784-8ddad5942934@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Beginning Ada Programming, by Andrew T. Shvets (2020) From: Lucretia Injection-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 16:50:39 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:57640 Date: 2019-12-03T08:50:38-08:00 List-Id: On Tuesday, 3 December 2019 16:26:55 UTC, Optikos wrote: > > That's not what I'm saying at all! > >=20 > > I'm saying to get someone used to the language, there is no problem wit= h starting them off with the > > ready defined types, but explaining ranges a little later on, literally= , within pages of themselves. >=20 > Oh, then I agree with AdaMagica wholeheartedly if restricted to only lear= ning a new language. I once worked for a long-time Fortran programmer who = self-taught himself C; every line of code that he wrote was 110% pure Fortr= an-think without any resemblance (other than surface syntax) to anything mo= re modern: =20 ...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you missed my point entirely. I said to introduce them= to typing concepts after getting them used to the very basics, i.e. first = few simple programs adding numbers and printing them out, how the build usi= ng the compiler, then handle types and explaining how they're different to = something like typedef in C.