From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a24:160f:: with SMTP id a15-v6mr4010795ita.7.1531570838034; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 05:20:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:75c9:: with SMTP id q192-v6mr1983251oic.3.1531570837579; Sat, 14 Jul 2018 05:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.albasani.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!peer01.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer01.am4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!g2-v6no3427511itf.0!news-out.google.com!n194-v6ni2585itg.0!nntp.google.com!g2-v6no3427509itf.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 05:20:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=60.240.22.198; posting-account=9p4LagoAAACu4hgIpT2I_W6cajcJVP4I NNTP-Posting-Host: 60.240.22.198 References: <1d3743b1-1a36-429d-92c7-9ae0e7c16e63@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <643ae3f4-0314-4e26-9fc1-9cc386f265e7@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Ada: A beginners experience From: blakemichael073@gmail.com Injection-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 12:20:38 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 3800 X-Received-Body-CRC: 2365827722 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:53801 Date: 2018-07-14T05:20:37-07:00 List-Id: On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 4:01:34 PM UTC+8, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > On 2018-07-14 04:36, blakemichael073@gmail.com wrote: > > Greetings, > >=20 > > I thought that I would offer a quick beginners insights into the Ada = world. > > First off, a little background, I am a mature aged first year electroni= cs/automation engineering student that has taken an interest in real time c= ontrol systems. This has lead me to interest in the Ada language. > > I have read books/tutorials that have been written by posters to this g= roup and I am grateful for the resources that are available. I have been tr= ying to learn to program micro-controllers. >=20 > OK, but that is a strange and hardest method to get into. >=20 > Strange, because automation systems tend to walk away from=20 > "microcontrollers" in the sense of a bare-metal-16-bit-1K thing. You can= =20 > comfortably do everything on an ARM board running Linux. >=20 > > I have watched the thread on "Why isn't Ada more popular" and thought= that I would give my perspective. Trying to learn to use Ada without the a= ssistance of someone experienced is hard. There are so many problems along = the way, and much of the available documentation assumes background knowled= ge that most learners would try something easier. > > It would seem that the current strategy is to hope that once beginner= s are experienced enough using arduino or C that they will see the error of= their previous ways and convert to the Ada language. I would argue that to= make Ada more popular the barriers to using Ada need to be lowered. At the= moment I spend too much time trying understand how to make my tools work, = and not enough time using my tools. >=20 > Integrating Ada in the Ardiuno framework is a bit different thing. I=20 > agree that it will be very cool not to be forced to program it in C. But= =20 > the problem would be having binding to thousands of C libraries used to= =20 > deal with the hardware. It is a huge work with almost no practical use=20 > in the end except for showing presence. >=20 > And it is not a quite good starting point, because, IMO, learning Ada=20 > for automation and control must start with tasking and protected objects. >=20 > --=20 > Regards, > Dmitry A. Kazakov > http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de If setting up a beaglebone black with one of the linux operating systems an= d working with Ada from there will be an easier option then I start from th= is point.