From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:ac8:4d43:: with SMTP id x3mr34086446qtv.306.1588165669057; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:07:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:1a6:: with SMTP id e35mr3256366ote.240.1588165668504; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.gegeweb.eu!gegeweb.org!fdn.fr!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!209.85.160.216.MISMATCH!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:07:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2a01:e0a:17:dc70:60cf:8041:1d19:a2a; posting-account=rhqvKAoAAABpikMmPHJSZh4400BboHwT NNTP-Posting-Host: 2a01:e0a:17:dc70:60cf:8041:1d19:a2a References: <87muca3vgd.fsf@nightsong.com> <57d49047-0a61-4d13-8822-d004732a3acc@googlegroups.com> <3b1b248b-43d0-4762-b1f5-1c5460d24c8b@googlegroups.com> <5e222e6c-7afe-4349-ac66-d9b78ca40ec6@googlegroups.com> <27b11294-d628-4118-8328-a4a9a3946937@googlegroups.com> <80bcdfd1-b1e5-4ebf-aa8a-4beaba5ec3c2@googlegroups.com> <60e61003-409d-4bd5-9784-8ddad5942934@googlegroups.com> <4faaddd0-cc31-43e5-bd9e-fa0dded08778@googlegroups.com> <41d010aa-7408-49d7-bc0a-7c346222f862@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6b32b6a7-e2c4-48a6-b2f4-a51a18c655ec@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Teaching Ada types From: Mehdi Saada <00120260a@gmail.com> Injection-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:07:49 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:58523 Date: 2020-04-29T06:07:48-07:00 List-Id: Le vendredi 17 avril 2020 08:17:45 UTC+2, J-P. Rosen a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: > Well, the school taught the syntax of C, and then gave programming > I asked: "but how did they teach you how to go from a problem > statement to its solution?" She didn't even understand what I was > talking about. Sigh... I agree that it's still common (though NOT ONLY in programmation), this min= dset: here's the tool, now build that damn wardrobe. Bsically, I remember doing some basic exercices, ok, then the next one asks= for a not-so intuitive leap in understanding, which leaves me angry. Some people absolutely can not perform such leaps... for instance I'm Aspie= , and if I've not been shown something, I will NEVER intuit it.. I've been told "open a logical/math book !" Which there are a bunch of them with WILDLY different way of doing things, = so the top-down "integrated" approach which would so be advised for any rig= orous training, goes out the window. I long for someone, saying: if you can't do that without even thinking, tak= e the book X by Y (maybe chapter A to N), eat it, complete the exercises, a= nd come back. And that, for each point. For stuff like mathematical logic to high school = algebra ? At least making sure that the reader knows it thoroughly before c= oming back to programmation per se. It would need either that authors coordinate with each other a little bit, = or for someone to know enough of the available materials available on the w= orld wide web or otherwise, to sort it out. It goes for higher stuff like functional programming, IA, etc. Instead of s= upposing the reader knows the prerequisites, how about making sure, by refe= ring to other books to check it out ? I almost NEVER see that done. And the= "hard to do in practice" is no excuse... Sorry for the rant.