From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a6b:bb42:: with SMTP id l63-v6mr1401349iof.101.1530736604989; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 13:36:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:c6ca:: with SMTP id w193-v6mr687224oif.1.1530736604653; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 13:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed9.news.xs4all.nl!85.12.16.69.MISMATCH!peer02.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer02.am4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!u78-v6no2009293itb.0!news-out.google.com!l67-v6ni1905itl.0!nntp.google.com!u78-v6no2009292itb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 13:36:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=213.108.152.51; posting-account=bMuEOQoAAACUUr_ghL3RBIi5neBZ5w_S NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.108.152.51 References: <856189aa-fa00-4960-929e-174f352310ad@googlegroups.com> <2718c8d4-5f35-4fd8-a1aa-1e60069a7a5d@googlegroups.com> <39fce60c-9f56-42fb-b679-fa08810b00ee@googlegroups.com> <3701bf07-89a5-4cb0-a704-5aebb589ca79@googlegroups.com> <2f5e4ce0-94e8-4b94-9da7-045ec90a9b22@googlegroups.com> <18554067-1382-4b43-a832-2d27aa5117d7@googlegroups.com> <8dc19505-b68a-403c-a164-f1de1864f3f1@googlegroups.com> <559657f8-bbf4-4a70-9449-f85bc98d6c6b@googlegroups.com> <590d4672-4aef-42a5-823c-57ccd291115a@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <746e96b9-d5a3-449a-a053-f7f7788a6619@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Teaching C/C++ from Ada perspective? From: Maciej Sobczak Injection-Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 20:36:44 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 3147 X-Received-Body-CRC: 2375407420 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:53617 Date: 2018-07-04T13:36:44-07:00 List-Id: > GNAT in 2018 (or whichever recent year is your release) is defective comp= ared to the Rational R1000 in the late 1980s. Which makes your whole argument completely hypothetical and useless, as we = are in late 2010s instead. It's not only the availability of products - it is also the expectation to = support some set of available language features. From the Ada side, anythin= g less than Ada 2012 will not be considered by potential users, unless they= are already drowning in some archaic codebase, in which case they are chai= ned to some compiler anyway. No matter who you talk to, recommending R1000 = is a waste of time. > Maciej, please provide any C++ compilation system from any point in human= history I'm not interested in such points from the human history. We have 2018 now = and the OP was asked to run a C++ course at the university. This context qu= ite precisely defines the toolset he is able to use. I'm glad that we have, in practice, exhausted this discussion. --=20 Maciej Sobczak * http://www.inspirel.com