From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a6b:ef12:: with SMTP id k18-v6mr2929631ioh.31.1530562630223; Mon, 02 Jul 2018 13:17:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:c6ca:: with SMTP id w193-v6mr2999502oif.1.1530562629980; Mon, 02 Jul 2018 13:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.uzoreto.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!d7-v6no3329293itj.0!news-out.google.com!z3-v6ni2806iti.0!nntp.google.com!d7-v6no3329290itj.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 13:17:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.195.62; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.195.62 References: <856189aa-fa00-4960-929e-174f352310ad@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <79fe190a-62d7-4794-8631-5cc685f8382b@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Teaching C/C++ from Ada perspective? From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:17:10 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:53520 Date: 2018-07-02T13:17:09-07:00 List-Id: On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 2:57:38 PM UTC-5, G.B. wrote: > On 30.06.18 20:04, kouaoua16@gmail.com wrote: > > but in C and C++ to fist year students >=20 > Whichever way you decide to go, perpetuating the misconception > of: C and C++ being closely related languages is going to add > effects to programs written in C as well as to programs written > in C++, in that they'll not be written in idiomatic C or idiomatic > C++. Outside of sales talk---if teaching programming does establish > non-commercial foundations for thinking---the phrase "C/C++", i.e., > "C Slash C Plus Plus" should raise the alarm. >=20 > And 'A' is not 65! Another most-excellent reply by G.B. in recent days. I agree with this 100= %. Perhaps if there is an olive branch of shared communique between Maciej Sob= czak's statements and mine in prior replies, it is what G.B. implies above:= teach as little C in C++ as possible=E2=80=94emphasize the nonC portions = of C++. Maciej and I differ seemingly only on the path to travel to arrive= at that general destination.