From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Rubin Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: How to get Ada to ?cross the chasm?? Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 20:37:37 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: <871sexnz3y.fsf@nightsong.com> References: <1c73f159-eae4-4ae7-a348-03964b007197@googlegroups.com> <87k1su7nag.fsf@nightsong.com> <87po2la2qt.fsf@nightsong.com> <87in8buttb.fsf@jacob-sparre.dk> <87wowqpowu.fsf@nightsong.com> <87efiyuh10.fsf@jacob-sparre.dk> <87vacanebz.fsf@nightsong.com> <87a7tlvppi.fsf@jacob-sparre.dk> <87k1sponey.fsf@nightsong.com> <658b4dfa-6c52-42d0-a289-8c612e6ee6a5@googlegroups.com> <87fu3dogk5.fsf@nightsong.com> <87bme1oax6.fsf@nightsong.com> <890596e3-dece-40cf-8566-b5b5c2c52fc2@googlegroups.com> <876049o23d.fsf@nightsong.com> <1419554472.546750126.949293.laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="6996fb1057142215b2bd5e0da759a1b2"; logging-data="25659"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18tSbs5nMV98GMSkVvqD1Ti" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:So5WL0zYgrW6ydjdlOva7AHqyOA= sha1:sMSkwmfYr369FmMZgTEg7mSyLVI= Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:51818 Date: 2018-04-29T20:37:37-07:00 List-Id: Luke A. Guest writes: > I and anyone with a brain knows, you obviously don’t. Even C is a high > level language, it’s at the bottom of the pile though, I don't think you get to decide unilaterally whether something is an HLL, and expect others to bow before your wisdom. As far as I can tell, it's a somewhat subjective term. I would not call C an HLL, but that's just me. I wouldn't call the others you mentioned HLL's either, but that's more idiosyncratic. Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-level_programming_language : The terms high-level and low-level are inherently relative. Some decades ago, the C language, and similar languages, were most often considered "high-level", as it supported concepts such as expression evaluation, parameterised recursive functions, and data types and structures, while assembly language was considered "low-level". Today, many programmers might refer to C as low-level, as it lacks a large runtime-system (no garbage collection, etc.), basically supports only scalar operations, and provides direct memory addressing. It, therefore, readily blends with assembly language and the machine level of CPUs and microcontrollers. > GC doesn’t even come into it. Well, what *does* come into it, in your conception?