From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!newsfeed.xs3.de!io.xs3.de!news.jacob-sparre.dk!franka.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!.POSTED.109.57.200.81.mobile.3.dk!not-for-mail From: Jacob Sparre Andersen Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: How to get Ada to ?cross the chasm?? Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 21:09:47 +0200 Organization: JSA Research & Innovation Message-ID: <876049vngk.fsf@jacob-sparre.dk> References: <1c73f159-eae4-4ae7-a348-03964b007197@googlegroups.com> <87k1su7nag.fsf@nightsong.com> <87po2la2qt.fsf@nightsong.com> <87in8buttb.fsf@jacob-sparre.dk> <87wowqpowu.fsf@nightsong.com> <87efiyuh10.fsf@jacob-sparre.dk> <87vacanebz.fsf@nightsong.com> <87a7tlvppi.fsf@jacob-sparre.dk> <87k1sponey.fsf@nightsong.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: franka.jacob-sparre.dk; posting-host="109.57.200.81.mobile.3.dk:109.57.200.81"; logging-data="19006"; mail-complaints-to="news@jacob-sparre.dk" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:1NE36t2UzITWmnQZCXp6LOMRauU= Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:51806 Date: 2018-04-29T21:09:47+02:00 List-Id: Paul Rubin wrote: >> What is your definition of a HLL? Except that it apparently isn't C >> or Ada? Is it any language you can't write an operating system in? > > It may be idiosyncratic but I'm going with something like this: HLL's > can handle large and potentially complicated data objects as easily as > low-level languages handle machine integers. That means you can write > them as literals (e.g. Lisp S-expressions), create them as > intermediate values and pass them as arguments, include them in other > data, etc. and not have to manually manage their storage. That sounds like Ada to me. >>> Sure, that's fine, but it sounds like a fairly thin wrapper. >> Then I gave the wrong impression. Checking that the results make sense >> is a different operation than calculating the results, but that doesn't >> make it trivial. > > Hmm ok, but what advantage does Ada bring in checking the results? That it is easier to write correct programs in Ada than in R and Python. > Do you have some SPARK verification of the checker? No. Greetings, Jacob -- "Banning open source would have immediate, broad, and strongly negative impacts on the ability of many sensitive and security-focused DOD groups to protect themselves against cyberattacks" -- Mitre Corp.