From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a6b:cb06:: with SMTP id b6-v6mr7943535iog.107.1531078108738; Sun, 08 Jul 2018 12:28:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:75c9:: with SMTP id q192-v6mr4173232oic.3.1531078108560; Sun, 08 Jul 2018 12:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeder4.usenet.farm!feed.usenet.farm!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!g2-v6no2723422itf.0!news-out.google.com!l67-v6ni6160itl.0!nntp.google.com!g2-v6no2723418itf.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 12:28:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0001HW.20F291E2002A542F70000C5E92CF@news.individual.net> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.195.62; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.195.62 References: <856189aa-fa00-4960-929e-174f352310ad@googlegroups.com> <2718c8d4-5f35-4fd8-a1aa-1e60069a7a5d@googlegroups.com> <39fce60c-9f56-42fb-b679-fa08810b00ee@googlegroups.com> <3701bf07-89a5-4cb0-a704-5aebb589ca79@googlegroups.com> <2f5e4ce0-94e8-4b94-9da7-045ec90a9b22@googlegroups.com> <9bb99fb4-b9c7-4516-97b5-da41466e96be@googlegroups.com> <1162d6bf-c226-4089-ae2e-870c7da9c80f@googlegroups.com> <2f5399b4-518b-4a2e-9941-2ae267d51309@googlegroups.com> <1ab5db5c-7892-40a8-ae36-ca1ec1168768@googlegroups.com> <0001HW.20F291E2002A542F70000C5E92CF@news.individual.net> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <877d0a01-d342-433c-a541-3662736ae857@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Teaching C/C++ from Ada perspective? From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2018 19:28:28 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:53733 Date: 2018-07-08T12:28:28-07:00 List-Id: On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 1:39:34 PM UTC-5, Bill Findlay wrote: > On 8 Jul 2018, Dan'l Miller wrote > (in article<1ab5db5c-7892-40a8-ae36-ca1ec1168768@googlegroups.com>): >=20 > > If there is one single root-cause reason that Ada failed to launch > > on the launchpad from, say, 1985 to 1993, it was this spurned-detest of= Ada > > in telecom, not because of what was in or not in Ada, but because telec= om was > > excluded from the selection process. >=20 > There is another. >=20 > The right-on then-dominant faction in CS academia, > who might have been expected to welcome a language soundly based on SE=20 > principles, > boycotted it without further consideration, simply because it originated = in=20 > the DoD. I strongly suspect that was because of universities' desire for finding fav= or in AT&T's eyes regarding coveted Unix licenses (pre-1984) and regarding = POSIX (post-1986) was a big part of that. Sometimes AT&T's largess walked = in through the frontdoor of the revenue-generating admissions office: for = approximately a decade, vast quantities of AT&T's white-collar workforce wa= s offered free tuition and lavish 18-month sabbatical to get their master d= egrees, fully paid for by corporate. Low thousands of employees signed up= . During the 1980s, the pro-Ada universities were also predominantly non-Unix= , especially VMS. Almost to 1.00 correlation. Most corners of the technol= ogy universe back in the 1980s were either: 1) AT&T's lapdog via Unix & C or being hooked in tight with BSD's mimicking= thereof, or 2) IBM's lapdog via mainframes, or 3) DoD's lapdog via Ada, especially looking for DARPA research grants and/o= r being under the influence of local defense contractors on steer-the-curri= culum advisory boards. Every college and university (or school/division/department therewithin) hi= tched their gravytrain wagons to 1 of those 3 during the 1980s.