From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Rubin Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: How to get Ada to =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=9Ccross?= the =?utf-8?Q?ch?= =?utf-8?Q?asm=E2=80=9D=3F?= Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 22:35:58 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: <878t9nemrl.fsf@nightsong.com> References: <1c73f159-eae4-4ae7-a348-03964b007197@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="8e548454750874bafbe35022fe050209"; logging-data="11011"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18UOzQ5Mzj7JO9jQE5NqFqe" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Z2uSIGmta7mfP8m27tScpwioEFU= sha1:uZ/ryVQvyH3m9B1mPHJJ/f+bUgs= Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:51537 Date: 2018-04-15T22:35:58-07:00 List-Id: "Dan'l Miller" writes: > How will Ada use one base of programmers/software-engineers as a basis > to move onto convincing another group of programmers/software- > engineers of Ada's advantages? Or is the purpose of Ada to preach to > its current choir without trying to fill the pews with new > parishioners? I'd like to know why Rust was invented: there was obviously a need for a safer alternative to C++, but was Ada the answer that everyone simply overlooked? I think answering your question would require an informed and critical comparison between Rust and Ada. Something with real depth rather than "verbose vs curly braces". I do know Rust has formal-methods work going on. I've read about Rust a little but haven't yet tried to use it. I've played with Ada a little but not done anything serious. In practice I use C++ when I want to write low level compiled code these days, but of course its shortcomings are well known. I'm not convinced that a need for a non-garbage-collected big-systems language even exists any more. Obviously low-level, high reliability realtime programming is important, but they tend to run on small systems, or else they can be in fairly small subsystems of a bigger system. Tim Sweeney's well-known talk "The Next Mainstream Programming Language" conveys a similar idea: https://www.st.cs.uni-saarland.de/edu/seminare/2005/advanced-fp/docs/sweeny.pdf