From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Rubin Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Boeing 737 and 737 MAX software Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 12:05:33 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: <87imvrkl8i.fsf@nightsong.com> References: <8736mwi257.fsf@nightsong.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="d565b22b18f2ce0182d4473e35fd5b89"; logging-data="6794"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Ei9DoJZAvkSB9WoIAyhuF" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:yYRnY0XXhU8euIxP0mRhX0AaM1E= sha1:QqvcWvQKq7PfBScuIyY5FRcvjpE= Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:56091 Date: 2019-04-06T12:05:33-07:00 List-Id: Jere writes: > On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 5:16:22 PM UTC-4, Paul Rubin wrote: >> It also sounds as if Boeing's software operation may have slipped in >> recent years, not good news for the 737 MAX. > I've honestly not read anything that actually indicates a software error, I don't think anyone claimed that the 737 MAX issue was a software bug per se, but I've heard some noises to the effect that when the FAA looked into Boeing's proposal to update the MCAS software, they found that the software in general was in worse shape than they had hoped. So I wondered if there had been any process changes, and along with that, any language changes. Also apparently this type of software is certified using DO-178C requirements, which describe multiple levels of criticality. Level A is for the most critical functions, stuff that can crash the plane, and has the most stringent requirements. Boeing apparently submitted the MCAS software under level C. In retrospect that looks like a big error. Some Hacker News threads regarding the 737: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19565759 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19573893 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19577602