From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.5-pre1 (2020-06-20) on ip-172-31-74-118.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_05 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.5-pre1 Path: eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Rubin Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family? Date: Mon, 31 May 2021 07:26:55 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: <87k0nff07k.fsf@nightsong.com> References: <5afvagd0g4uajs1ji35v3lorkgb2kd56qu@4ax.com> <87wnrkf9pr.fsf@nightsong.com> <37c582bb-3012-4954-a26c-5d9614ac0c84n@googlegroups.com> <0001HW.2664183000DCDBDE700005E5438F@news.individual.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="385a776a4fd852f51c6e8b0a98e35abe"; logging-data="15537"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/3YjfDQWuwsKJPltIHSGYM" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Lmdg4Cujvna/VSyrbJbG3eAkoUw= sha1:YF4NKSE2uDeYOBw8UCYREovc+54= Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:62057 List-Id: Bill Findlay writes: > They were fast only by comparison with very slow compilers. > I remember, around 1987, someone telling me in astonishment > that Turbo ran at 2KSLOC/minute. I was unimpressed, as I had > worked on a compiler that ran at 20KSLOC/min a decade earlier. Do you mean Turbo Pascal, or one of the other Turbos like Turbo C++? Did you mean KSLOC/second rather than per minute? I think by 1987 (that would have been the 286-386 era) TP would have been compiling many KSLOC/second. On old CP/M machines it would have been slower. Was your 20KSLOC/??? compiler running on comparable hardware?