From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a24:b95d:: with SMTP id k29-v6mr4560198iti.6.1524999055034; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 03:50:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:445c:: with SMTP id f28-v6mr672138otj.2.1524999054896; Sun, 29 Apr 2018 03:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.swapon.de!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!f63-v6no1494825itc.0!news-out.google.com!b185-v6ni2368itb.0!nntp.google.com!k65-v6no1495203ita.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 03:50:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=135.23.130.51; posting-account=cUi90woAAADTaOISowbbHM8GUD0-opJO NNTP-Posting-Host: 135.23.130.51 References: <1c73f159-eae4-4ae7-a348-03964b007197@googlegroups.com> <87k1su7nag.fsf@nightsong.com> <87po2la2qt.fsf@nightsong.com> <87in8buttb.fsf@jacob-sparre.dk> <3f7a7f76-c5eb-4cba-9051-6b5dfeeb906c@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <88ae8672-543e-4943-b388-f92ab551198f@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: How to get Ada to ?cross the chasm?? From: patrick@spellingbeewinnars.org Injection-Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2018 10:50:55 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Received-Bytes: 2482 X-Received-Body-CRC: 3645106909 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:51784 Date: 2018-04-29T03:50:54-07:00 List-Id: This is exactly what the OP was concerned about, how to get Ada out of one demographic into another. Again are all the other languages for inferior programmers? Using a subset does not mean the language is dumbed down. "2. Find an effective way to distinguish S/W engs from coders and prohibit coders from developing S/W. " This is mind-bogglingly arrogant. coding/software engineering is very important and important to teach children. What path is there for young people to learn Ada and enjoy using it. Of all the work with Ada I think that Rolf's work with Ada-AVR is the most valuable. Someday, when it's done, it might give young people something fun to do with Ada. They can write web servers and whatever else they want with it. See the problems on this list.... A great guy is writing 1M lines of code to create a web server and someone has to put him down for it.....senseless and more arrogance