From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.42.109.148 with SMTP id l20mr15596474icp.0.1404738885326; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 06:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Path: border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!hn18no4501591igb.0!news-out.google.com!ht10ni13952qab.0!nntp.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 08:14:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 09:14:43 -0400 From: Peter Chapin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada's ranking of popularity at IEEE Spectrum References: <72b1318a-2eb6-4129-af9b-5bcfbb329c5b@googlegroups.com> <3889b2f4-b7c4-4fb0-9f37-6fc56400b1d7@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8OednWik9bvZACfORVn_vwA@giganews.com> X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-TaFE9FhE1JC8LdceAiAkDFREhqpAXYAoXI/zN1EUzfKU8gCbBRXRoqyLAUmAL76nRiiJwecku1HC6dq!FNcmDMn7cjfTjC82/nye4/wNNEpqRyIT8M6uiNnhtHryLGooRlHfNvj6kHW199g= X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 2432 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com comp.lang.ada:187421 Date: 2014-07-07T09:14:43-04:00 List-Id: On 2014-07-06 18:15, Brad Moore wrote: > I think another path to Ada popularity would be to raise awareness of > the differences. > > There was a paper entitled "C++? A Critique of C++ and Programming > Language Trends of the 1990s." by Ian Joyner written way back in 1996, > available in numerous places on the web, including here: > > http://archive.adaic.com/intro/ada-vs-c/cppcv3.pdf > > The paper is written by someone who obviously has a strong knowledge of > Eiffel and C++, but raised some good criticisms which I think mostly > still would apply today. FWIW, I think Joyner's document is terrible. In fact I wrote a somewhat long "Critique of Critique of C++" that I'd be willing to email to anyone who might be interested. My opinion is that Joyner does not understand C++ particularly well at all and that, in fact, he has several "fringe" ideas about what constitutes good programming language design. He work makes him appear to be a quack. While I agree that C++ has issues, quoting Joyner's document just weakens one's arguments. Peter