From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a6b:4e0b:: with SMTP id c11-v6mr1547656iob.22.1530744276142; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 15:44:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:c6ca:: with SMTP id w193-v6mr782540oif.1.1530744276008; Wed, 04 Jul 2018 15:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!newsreader5.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!peer01.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer01.am4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!d7-v6no2111236itj.0!news-out.google.com!l67-v6ni1999itl.0!nntp.google.com!u78-v6no2099055itb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 15:44:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <746e96b9-d5a3-449a-a053-f7f7788a6619@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.195.62; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.195.62 References: <856189aa-fa00-4960-929e-174f352310ad@googlegroups.com> <2718c8d4-5f35-4fd8-a1aa-1e60069a7a5d@googlegroups.com> <39fce60c-9f56-42fb-b679-fa08810b00ee@googlegroups.com> <3701bf07-89a5-4cb0-a704-5aebb589ca79@googlegroups.com> <2f5e4ce0-94e8-4b94-9da7-045ec90a9b22@googlegroups.com> <18554067-1382-4b43-a832-2d27aa5117d7@googlegroups.com> <8dc19505-b68a-403c-a164-f1de1864f3f1@googlegroups.com> <559657f8-bbf4-4a70-9449-f85bc98d6c6b@googlegroups.com> <590d4672-4aef-42a5-823c-57ccd291115a@googlegroups.com> <746e96b9-d5a3-449a-a053-f7f7788a6619@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <8d1667cb-03dc-4ab3-b521-cd82ab39f36c@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Teaching C/C++ from Ada perspective? From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2018 22:44:36 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 3927 X-Received-Body-CRC: 3806087443 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:53626 Date: 2018-07-04T15:44:35-07:00 List-Id: On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 3:36:45 PM UTC-5, Maciej Sobczak wrote: > > GNAT in 2018 (or whichever recent year is your release) is defective co= mpared to the Rational R1000 in the late 1980s. >=20 > Which makes your whole argument completely hypothetical and useless, as w= e are in late 2010s instead. > It's not only the availability of products - it is also the expectation t= o support some set of available language features. From the Ada side, anyth= ing less than Ada 2012 will not be considered by potential users, unless th= ey are already drowning in some archaic codebase, in which case they are ch= ained to some compiler anyway. No matter who you talk to, recommending R100= 0 is a waste of time. >=20 > > Maciej, please provide any C++ compilation system from any point in hum= an history >=20 > I'm not interested in such points from the human history. We have 2018 no= w and the OP was asked to run a C++ course at the university. This context = quite precisely defines the toolset he is able to use. >=20 > I'm glad that we have, in practice, exhausted this discussion. As soon as the play-by-play sports-announcer yells, =E2=80=9CscorrrrrrRRRRR= RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrr.=E2=80=9D fo= r Ada's goal, Maciej declares the game over and takes his soccer ball home,= refusing to recognize the point. Btw, C++ as currently defined =E2=80=A2cannot ever=E2=80=A2 score that poin= t, whereas Ada can bring back R1000 at any time=E2=80=94all we need is $6 m= illion. =E2=80=9CGentlemen, we can rebuild him; we have the technology.=E2= =80=9D The world's 2nd bionic Ada development environment. https://youtu.be/bGO57y4td-c?t=3D30 I reiterate: Maciej, btw, which precise version of GNAT are you utilizing?