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Subject: Re: Teaching C/C++ from Ada perspective?
From: "Dan'l Miller" <optikos@verizon.net>
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On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 1:53:31 PM UTC-5, Randy Brukardt wrote:
> "Maciej Sobczak" <see.my.homepage@gmail.com> wrote in message=20
> news:c91c4183-a8fe-4b7a-858e-616728fbe844@googlegroups.com...
> ...
> >That is, this hypothetical possibility that you described (and that no
> >vendor cared to reap during the last 30 years) does not make Ada
> >any better language than C++ (in this particular regard).
>=20
> This statement is completely False: the Rational environment did take=20
> advantage of these possibilities decades ago. (I presume the version=20
> available from PTC still does.) As recently discussed here, people who us=
ed=20
> that development environment tended to be very happy; perhaps this was on=
e=20
> of the factors?
>=20
> In any case, semantic coupling is many times more important than=20
> compile-time coupling, since it causes actual maintenance problems. Perha=
ps=20
> focusing on that would make the differences more apparent???

What would semantic coupling that lacks a syntactic* representation look li=
ke in Ada [with at least a smidgeon of wise & good, I hope]=E2=80=94or in C=
++ for that matter [worse, I suspect])?

* and thus doesn't appear in compile-time coupling, which is what we have d=
iscussed so far