From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.224.42.141 with SMTP id s13mr31032195qae.3.1372776620989; Tue, 02 Jul 2013 07:50:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.120.233 with SMTP id lf9mr81644obb.4.1372776620818; Tue, 02 Jul 2013 07:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx05.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.bbs-scene.org!border4.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!y2no122980qax.0!news-out.google.com!f7ni623qai.0!nntp.google.com!y2no122978qax.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 07:50:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51d298bb$0$6558$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.20.190.126; posting-account=lJ3JNwoAAAAQfH3VV9vttJLkThaxtTfC NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.20.190.126 References: <31f9819e-6509-4d67-acea-4d2ba9a96c04@googlegroups.com> <4csim6j63mk4.1c54vo5v7eu8c.dlg@40tude.net> <51d280e7$0$6556$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <51d298bb$0$6558$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <9db5cc2f-61d7-416c-ab64-f950cf6e36bc@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Help with embedded hardware/software platform selection for ADA From: Shark8 Injection-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2013 14:50:20 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:16045 Date: 2013-07-02T07:50:20-07:00 List-Id: On Tuesday, July 2, 2013 3:09:20 AM UTC-6, Georg Bauhaus wrote: > > Doing great things with small things makes programmers proud: Granted. > > 1) People coming from C++ will be proud of having understood > the new concurrency building blocks like std::atomic. Similarly > for Java. > > 2) People coming from C are proud of having grasped > "small things" like the meaning of "int", or the way CAS > and semaphores will work. And of what *they* can do > with these. And now its in the new C! > > 3) Small and speedy is way cooooool. > So, ready-made simplicity of full Ada stinks. It is an insult > to those who have mastered the above three notions. It hinders > flexibility, you know. Such people are fools. It is the same mentality that makes them think that they are better at catching range-errors [i.e. what we would use subtypes for] than the compiler. See section 6 of the following paper: http://ironsides.martincarlisle.com/ICRST2013.pdf