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From: pontius@btv.MBI.com.invalid (Dale Pontius)
Subject: Re: What is faster Ada or C?
Date: 10 Dec 2001 15:18:50 GMT
Date: 2001-12-10T15:18:50+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9v2joq$ra2$1@news.btv.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: pdxu1vb67fq.fsf@sirppi.helsinki.fi

In article <pdxu1vb67fq.fsf@sirppi.helsinki.fi>,
        aaro@iki.fi (Aaro Koskinen) writes:
...
> (Also, I would imagine that with Ada's strong typing, the compiler can
> do better optimizations than an average C compiler. However, I don't
> have any evidence for this...)

I've always heard and felt this, too. However I wonder if theory and
practice unfortunately differ here, due to the overwhelming popularity
of C and its ilk.

Take gnat as an example. It's a front-end for gcc, which is itself
developed primarily in C. So granting that strong typing allows better
optimization, is the back-end smart enough to use the extra information?
The primary role for the gcc back-end is for C and C++ front-ends, and
most likely C doesn't give extra type-enabled optimization information.
Does C++ send such information to the back-end?

In other words, I suspect only a custom/dedicated/tuned Ada compiler
will (not can, but will) optimize better than a C compiler, simply due
to marketplace forces.

Dale Pontius
NOT speaking for IBM



  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-12-10 15:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-12-01  1:22 What is faster Ada or C? Heiko Hamann
2001-12-01  1:43 ` Aaro Koskinen
2001-12-03  8:49   ` John McCabe
2001-12-04 23:00     ` Florian Weimer
2001-12-05 15:53       ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-06  0:17         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-12-10 15:18   ` Dale Pontius [this message]
2001-12-10 17:44     ` Pascal Obry
2001-12-01  3:44 ` Nick Roberts
2001-12-01 20:09   ` Heiko Hamann
2001-12-02  4:49     ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-12-02 10:44       ` Pascal Obry
2001-12-04 11:43       ` john mann
2001-12-04 14:25         ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-05  9:46           ` John McCabe
2001-12-02 10:07     ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-03 14:43       ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-09 12:31       ` Robert Dewar
2001-12-01  9:26 ` Gisle Sælensminde
2001-12-01 10:13 ` Pascal Obry
2001-12-02 17:49   ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-12-03 14:39 ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-03 16:19   ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-12-03 19:04     ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-03 20:56       ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-03 21:17         ` Preben Randhol
2001-12-03 21:20           ` Preben Randhol
2001-12-04 23:02           ` Florian Weimer
2001-12-05 16:05             ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-06 23:33               ` Florian Weimer
2001-12-04  2:35         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-12-04  6:54           ` Steven Deller
2001-12-04 22:05             ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-12-06  4:25               ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-07 20:02                 ` Hyman Rosen
2001-12-09 19:32                   ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-11 16:14                     ` Hyman Rosen
2001-12-14  0:36                       ` Will
2001-12-19 22:23                         ` Hyman Rosen
2001-12-17 17:37                       ` Richard Riehle
2001-12-20 23:02                         ` Hyman Rosen
2001-12-23  4:12                           ` Will
2001-12-23  6:41                             ` James Rogers
2001-12-04 22:37         ` Pascal Obry
2001-12-05 15:57           ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-05 17:12             ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-12-07 13:21     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-12-07 15:16       ` Aaro Koskinen
2001-12-07 16:50         ` Preben Randhol
2001-12-07 17:03           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-12-07 17:26             ` Aaro Koskinen
2001-12-07 18:32               ` Preben Randhol
2001-12-07 20:23               ` Wes Groleau
2001-12-07 17:11           ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-07 18:47             ` Preben Randhol
2001-12-07 16:16       ` Preben Randhol
2001-12-07 17:04         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-12-07 16:26       ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-07 17:08         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-12-09 12:27           ` Robert Dewar
2001-12-10 16:51             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-12-10 17:33               ` Jeff Creem
2001-12-07 16:45       ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-07 17:02         ` Preben Randhol
2001-12-07 17:10         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-12-07 18:12       ` Pascal Obry
2001-12-07 18:50         ` Preben Randhol
2001-12-07 18:54           ` Pascal Obry
2001-12-07 20:40             ` Preben Randhol
2001-12-07 22:01               ` Pascal Obry
2001-12-07 18:19       ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-12-10  9:59       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
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