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From: donh@syd.csa.com.au (Don Harrison)
Subject: Re: Eiffel and Java
Date: 1996/10/30
Date: 1996-10-30T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E02IMv.I9M@syd.csa.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mheaney-ya023180002810962151220001@news.ni.net


Matthew Heaney writes:

:Ada's type mechanism accomplishes the equivalent of pre- and
:post-conditions, and you don't seem to mind their inclusion in Eiffel, so
:that can't be it.

It's true that Ada's typing does accomplish some of what assertions offer 
but assertions are more general (and useful) than that. For example, it is
possible to specify that *any* boolean condition on a parameter must hold - 
not just that it belongs to a particular family of types or that it's value 
satisfies a range constraint.

Any of a number of Eiffel books provide more info.

:About subprogram calls.  C++ or Eiffel programmers call objects this way:
:
:   theStack.push (5);
:
:and Ada programmers do this
:
:   Push (5, On => The_Stack);
:
:It's not a moral issue which way is better, just a difference in syntax. 
:They both do the same thing.

Yes - not something to lose sleep over. The Ada syntax can be justified
because it is a hybrid language. IMO, the dot notation is preferable for
Eiffel because it is a pure, single-dispatched language. For such
languages, it makes sense to isolate the dispatching parameter to show that
it is special. The downside is that symmetric operations do not appear as
such. Well, not really, because you can always regain it by inventing another 
class for performing symmetric operations:

eg. class SET_OPS
      ...
      union (a, b: SET): SET is ...
      intersection (a, b: SET): SET is ...
      ...
    end

In any case, truly symmetric operations are relatively few, IMO.


Don.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~1996-10-30  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 168+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-10-27  0:00 Eiffel and Java Vincent WEBER
1996-10-27  0:00 ` Jean-Michel P. Decombe
1996-10-28  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-31  0:00     ` Doug Marker
1996-10-28  0:00   ` Alexandre Oliva
1996-10-28  0:00   ` David Hanley
1996-10-28  0:00     ` Matt Kennel
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Chris Trimble
1996-10-31  0:00     ` Doug Marker
1996-10-31  0:00   ` David Bennett
1996-10-28  0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Vincent WEBER
1996-10-31  0:00     ` James McKim
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1996-11-04  0:00         ` James McKim
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Don Harrison [this message]
1996-10-31  0:00     ` Eiffel and Java James McKim
1996-11-04  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1996-11-23  0:00       ` Van Snyder
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Jon S Anthony
1996-11-03  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-05  0:00   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-10-28  0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Ronald Cole
1996-10-29  0:00 ` Don Harrison
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Fergus Henderson
1996-10-30  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-10-30  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-10-31  0:00     ` David L. Shang
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-04  0:00         ` David L. Shang
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-06  0:00             ` David L. Shang
1996-11-04  0:00       ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-04  0:00       ` David L. Shang
1996-11-05  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00     ` Darko BUDOR
1996-11-02  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-03  0:00         ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-03  0:00         ` Darko BUDOR
1996-11-03  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-03  0:00     ` Matthias Ernst
1996-11-05  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-10  0:00     ` Marcos F. F. de Macedo
1996-11-11  0:00       ` David L. Shang
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-12  0:00           ` David L. Shang
1996-11-12  0:00             ` David L. Shang
1996-11-16  0:00             ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-18  0:00               ` David L. Shang
1996-11-18  0:00             ` Kai Quale
1996-11-18  0:00               ` David L. Shang
1996-11-25  0:00                 ` Kai Quale
1996-11-15  0:00         ` Paul Johnson
1996-11-12  0:00       ` Alexander Asteroth
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Marcos F. F. de Macedo
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Benedict A. Gomes
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Vincent WEBER
1996-10-30  0:00     ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-10-30  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-10-30  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-04  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-04  0:00       ` C to Ada Ali Mirhosseini
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Matthew Daniel
1996-11-05  0:00       ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-05  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-06  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java David Petrie Stoutamire
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
     [not found]     ` <E06F2B.Az7@syd.csa.com.au>
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-05  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-06  0:00             ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-11-07  0:00               ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-06  0:00             ` To overload or not to overload (was Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching) Don Harrison
1996-11-06  0:00               ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-07  0:00                 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-07  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-07  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-11  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-07  0:00                   ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1996-11-08  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-08  0:00                       ` Don Harrison
1996-11-14  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-14  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-07  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-08  0:00                   ` bill.williams
1996-11-11  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-08  0:00             ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-06  0:00           ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-08  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-08  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-12  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-12  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-13  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-13  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-14  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-13  0:00                       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-15  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-19  0:00                           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-20  0:00                             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-12  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-15  0:00                     ` Richard Riehle
1996-11-16  0:00                     ` Interfacing contracts (Was: Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching) Geert Bosch
1996-11-17  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-08  0:00               ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-14  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-14  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-15  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-15  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-19  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-18  0:00                       ` Vincent Celier
1996-11-22  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-19  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-15  0:00               ` portmanteau (was Re: Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching) Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-07  0:00           ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-07  0:00           ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-12  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Matthias Ernst
1996-11-01  0:00     ` William Clodius
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Benedict A. Gomes
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-04  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-30  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-07  0:00       ` Marcos F. F. de Macedo
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Ian Joyner
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-13  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-15  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-14  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-15  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-19  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-21  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-12  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-31  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-01  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-03  0:00 ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-04  0:00 ` Eiffel and Java Richard A. O'Keefe
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1996-10-28  0:00 cosc19z5@bayou.uh.edu
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1996-11-01  0:00   ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Chris
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Ranjan Bagchi
1996-11-02  0:00 Ell
1996-11-02  0:00 ` traymond
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