From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,c406e0c4a6eb74ed X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.megapath.net!news.megapath.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 18:27:55 -0500 From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <49dc98cf.0408110556.18ae7df@posting.google.com> <6F2Yc.848$8d1.621@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <87eklg62x8.fsf@news.bourguet.org> <878ybnmdzi.fsf@news.bourguet.org> Subject: Re: ADA Popularity Discussion Request Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:28:49 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.32.209.38 X-Trace: sv3-4BgraAjjfsEUuCn/UgVtyR6+0r/O32a0XoAQvSTO2QYsb5DezS7xfN8NC0fBAZddCkr4MxsNmWn7q6L!GnWAenruha4qAygBvvF6wcl46o2UzKUpuFENu+5fxxGpiPji14p+gXmR8pfMja5LtBpjuRxTAVWB X-Complaints-To: abuse@megapath.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@megapath.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.13 Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:3515 Date: 2004-09-08T18:28:49-05:00 List-Id: "jayessay" wrote in message news:m3brgidrzb.fsf@rigel.goldenthreadtech.com... ... > Proving things above the fairly simple level in software falls victim > to the halting problem. The specifications (even very good ones) are > typically not rigorous enough to _prove_ any conformance either. > There are, of course, exceptions. The SPARK people claim to have had good luck in proving Ada software doesn't have run-time errors and meets its specifications. See www.sparkada.com. I'd expect that writing the specifications would be interesting. But it would at least seem a useful technique to eliminate errors in smaller subprograms, so that testing can be focused on the whole system (where you have a much better chance of doing it in a reproducible fashion). After all, creating good reusable tests is expensive, no matter what they're testing (and non-reusable tests are close to worthless). Randy.