From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,c406e0c4a6eb74ed X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.megapath.net!news.megapath.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:48:22 -0500 From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <49dc98cf.0408110556.18ae7df@posting.google.com> <6F2Yc.848$8d1.621@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <2L-dnRmP6qOePaLcRVn-ug@megapath.net> Subject: Re: ADA Popularity Discussion Request Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:49:16 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.32.209.38 X-Trace: sv3-1cVe/OQ8Caw7gC4A0xJ8eV/zs+lk293Hr1P6d8+TdVzaiYWw1Unw5efrXByS3bXRfnNKtM+kHwljlFV!SLS95gE80in6X6PS2hUioZQTdeSxbUO1tZxwOukVwzKQbDoBEXA7NKHrLjaxOuYNTkCrVoLTKvEg X-Complaints-To: abuse@megapath.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@megapath.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.13 Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:3702 Date: 2004-09-13T19:49:16-05:00 List-Id: "jayessay" wrote in message news:m3sm9n8nk2.fsf@rigel.goldenthreadtech.com... > "Randy Brukardt" writes: > > > "jayessay" wrote in message > > news:m3wtz7e4hd.fsf@rigel.goldenthreadtech.com... > > > kevin.cline@gmail.com (Kevin Cline) writes: > > ... > > > > I thought so too, until I tried incremental test-first development. > > > > Retesting a unit after adding a few lines of code means that type > > > > mismatches are caught immediately with or without strong typing. But > > > > it goes faster if you don't have to compile and link every iteration. > > > > > > Exactly. Actually this sort of development will save you much more > > > time and money than you could ever hope for from typical static typing. > > > > This seems like complete nonsense to me. (I'll admit that I've read other > > people making similar claims). > > Have a look at this: > > http://martinfowler.com/articles/newMethodology.html > > and I think you will have a somewhat better idea of what this is > about. "Access to this site timed-out". Doesn't bode well for the quality of the software... :-) Seriously, I'm always very skeptical of "methodologies", because they primarily seem geared toward selling books and consulting to clueless management types. There's usually a few obvious truths sprinkled around to make them more palatable. For a test-first scheme to have any hope of success, you have to have programmers that are very disciplined, that actually take the time to test every path of every subprogram. I doubt that there are many such people - I *know* I am not such a person. (The reason that I've always used Ada exclusively is that the Ada compiler catches the vast majority of my mistakes; without Ada, I simply could not work in this field, because the computers would not survive many long debugging sessions.) Randy.