From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!peer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!fx22.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Shark8 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:30.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/30.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family? References: <53cab152$0$32501$862e30e2@ngroups.net> <5f6c4a25-4ed9-4b0e-bb60-199d012ee0d0@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <5f6c4a25-4ed9-4b0e-bb60-199d012ee0d0@googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@teranews.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 22:30:16 UTC Organization: TeraNews.com Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:30:14 -0600 X-Received-Bytes: 2388 X-Received-Body-CRC: 1304273357 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:21081 Date: 2014-07-20T16:30:14-06:00 List-Id: On 20-Jul-14 13:40, pincerfae@gmail.com wrote: > I would guess that Ada/Pascal, et al weren't popular because they > weren't backed by corporations like C was. Probably has something to do with it; but then again there /are/ some corporations that *do* [seem] to back Ada: Boeing springs immediately to mind. > Also, easy to read must equal not powerful. [Insert rant against C-based languages here.] > The main problem I'm seeing with Ada is support and community. > There isn't a lot of it, and a lot of the resources available are > out of date by a few years (software like gnavi and visual ada > studio). Gnavi /does/ seem to be somewhat dead, but the Ada Studio looked like it was updated in 2014, so not so much "out of date" (features are another matter, I haven't used it [yet] so can't say one way or another). Randy has CLAW ( http://www.rrsoftware.com/html/prodinf/claw/claw.htm ) for building windows applications, I haven't used it either but am tempted to buy in. > Every thing else is either really expensive, or not worth having > (like the Pro version of GNAT and ObjectAda). I agree that another free/low-cost Ada [2012] implementation would be great; there's several projects going about in that direction. Though I don't know how well any of them except mine are going along. (Mine isn't going well, I'm still designing. [That and I've been tinkering w/ writing more than programming of late.])