From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on ip-172-31-65-14.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:2aa6:b0:474:844b:24ff with SMTP id js6-20020a0562142aa600b00474844b24ffmr850559qvb.51.1661540365151; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 11:59:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a0d:d854:0:b0:33d:c95d:aa48 with SMTP id a81-20020a0dd854000000b0033dc95daa48mr1123733ywe.351.1661540364862; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 11:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 11:59:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5f819cdd-e763-4a96-aed5-545d57edac23n@googlegroups.com> Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=109.231.124.168; posting-account=MRPdDAoAAADUJmZVjnYaoafXFMadSeY1 NNTP-Posting-Host: 109.231.124.168 References: <993af397-b615-44e7-ae8d-ec706f9b6098n@googlegroups.com> <5f819cdd-e763-4a96-aed5-545d57edac23n@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Carbon From: Olivier Henley Injection-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 18:59:25 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Received-Bytes: 2541 Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:64216 List-Id: On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:55:31 PM UTC-4, John Perry wrote: > Assertive and strongly-worded? sure, but aggressive? In my humble opinion: This is not aggression. We need to stop relativizing definitions. Hordes of people wrote that (along those lines --> "Ada typing is nonsense, crazy, mad, stupid, etc") and nobody in this community ever canceled them by weaponizing, eg.: "it is demeaning to people working on the ARG" ... therefore this is aggression. > Do language designers really draw conclusions about the quality of other languages, or even about the user community of other languages, from a handful of posts by one zealous member? Not if they are rational people. A member, a couple of members do not make a community; basic set theory. If Ada is not a direct contender to C++ since 1983, I will be damned. If there is no intentional wordplay between "Rust" and "Carbon", I will be damned. If C++ is "fully baked" and still needs Carbon, I will be damned. If someone cannot point an elephant in the room anymore, I will be damned. Can we live and let live, please? (I would definitely be happier in New Hampshire...)