From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:13e7:: with SMTP id h7mr5236570qkl.235.1575381472191; Tue, 03 Dec 2019 05:57:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7586:: with SMTP id s6mr3051379otk.342.1575381471738; Tue, 03 Dec 2019 05:57:51 -0800 (PST) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.gegeweb.eu!gegeweb.org!usenet-fr.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!209.85.160.216.MISMATCH!g89no1362840qtd.0!news-out.google.com!w29ni65qtc.0!nntp.google.com!g89no1362828qtd.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 05:57:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2a02:c7d:3c35:b000:325a:3aff:fe0f:37a5; posting-account=L2-UcQkAAAAfd_BqbeNHs3XeM0jTXloS NNTP-Posting-Host: 2a02:c7d:3c35:b000:325a:3aff:fe0f:37a5 References: <87muca3vgd.fsf@nightsong.com> <57d49047-0a61-4d13-8822-d004732a3acc@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Beginning Ada Programming, by Andrew T. Shvets (2020) From: Lucretia Injection-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 13:57:52 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:57630 Date: 2019-12-03T05:57:51-08:00 List-Id: On Tuesday, 3 December 2019 13:21:25 UTC, J-P. Rosen wrote: > Le 03/12/2019 =C3=A0 13:33, Lucretia a =C3=A9crit : > >> Yes, he is. I had a little conversation on the very first edition > >> with him. I esp. objected that he started his examples with using > >> Integer rather than user-defined types (which IMHO is the very > >> heart of Ada). I do not know whether he changed this. >=20 > > There's nothing wrong with using integer to start off and then moving > > onto defined types. > Yes there is! (see my paper at the last Ada-Europe). The first message > when you teach Ada is that it is all about defining proper types. You > have to start by fighting bad habits from other languages. People coming from other languages might not grasp types easily, so start t= hem off with an integer type and show them the range of it, then natural an= d positive explaining how they are defined and their ranges. Then drop them= into their own types.