From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a6b:ce9:: with SMTP id 102-v6mr27022183iom.134.1525924048611; Wed, 09 May 2018 20:47:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:70d1:: with SMTP id w17-v6mr2605750otj.5.1525924048417; Wed, 09 May 2018 20:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.uzoreto.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!v8-v6no70851itc.0!news-out.google.com!f20-v6ni23itd.0!nntp.google.com!v8-v6no70850itc.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Wed, 9 May 2018 20:47:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87mux84a0m.fsf@nightsong.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=76.113.16.86; posting-account=lJ3JNwoAAAAQfH3VV9vttJLkThaxtTfC NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.113.16.86 References: <1c73f159-eae4-4ae7-a348-03964b007197@googlegroups.com> <87wowqpowu.fsf@nightsong.com> <16406268-83df-4564-8855-9bd0fe9caac0@googlegroups.com> <87o9i2pkcr.fsf@nightsong.com> <87in88m43h.fsf@nightsong.com> <87efiuope8.fsf@nightsong.com> <322f9b26-01de-4753-bb50-6ef2f3d993d8@googlegroups.com> <87a7th9pd1.fsf@nightsong.com> <87h8no1nli.fsf@nightsong.com> <874ljo1hvy.fsf@nightsong.com> <87vac4z2lh.fsf@nightsong.com> <87lgcszjdn.fsf@nightsong.com> <87r2mk4d6w.fsf@nightsong.com> <1755072199.547602595.806475.laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> <87mux84a0m.fsf@nightsong.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to get Ada to ?cross the chasm?? From: Shark8 Injection-Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 03:47:28 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:52189 Date: 2018-05-09T20:47:28-07:00 List-Id: On Wednesday, May 9, 2018 at 6:41:50 PM UTC-6, Paul Rubin wrote: > Luke A. Guest writes: > > I would say Ada=E2=80=99s a much higher level language than C++. I=E2= =80=99ve no idea what > > you mean by "automation level.=E2=80=9D >=20 > I wanted to avoid the flame war about HLL vs LLL and just compare how > much language does for the user automatically. I think C++ is higher > level than C in that regard. It seems to me that Ada is somewhere > between the two, but I could go for it being equal to C++. I'd be > interested to hear the case that Ada (by itself) is goes further than > C++. Ada with SPARK could be seen as different. Ah! You'll probably want to read this: http://sworthodoxy.blogspot.com/2017/03/= comparing-ada-and-high-integrity-c.html The TLDR conclusion is stated in the first paragraph: "I have often suspect= ed that use of a safety critical or high integrity coding standard for C++ = would yield a level of safety and software reliability approximately equiva= lent to using Ada with no restrictions. [...] I was mostly correct in my su= spicions."