From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.5-pre1 (2020-06-20) on ip-172-31-74-118.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.5-pre1 X-Received: by 2002:a37:f612:: with SMTP id y18mr3861887qkj.436.1622207269041; Fri, 28 May 2021 06:07:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a25:8191:: with SMTP id p17mr12560507ybk.405.1622207268831; Fri, 28 May 2021 06:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!209.85.160.216.MISMATCH!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 06:07:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=73.2.251.187; posting-account=JSxOkAoAAADa00TJoz2WZ_46XrZCdXeS NNTP-Posting-Host: 73.2.251.187 References: <5afvagd0g4uajs1ji35v3lorkgb2kd56qu@4ax.com> <87wnrkf9pr.fsf@nightsong.com> <37c582bb-3012-4954-a26c-5d9614ac0c84n@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family? From: John Perry Injection-Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 13:07:49 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:62038 List-Id: On Friday, May 28, 2021 at 7:37:49 AM UTC-5, Shark8 wrote: > That story comes from the paper "Oberon: The Overlooked Jewel" =E2=80=94 = https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Oberon-%E2%80%93-The-Overlooked-Jewel= -1-Oberon-%E2%80%93-The-Jewel-Franz/9a7870c543c19eb4f46fdfbdcfb92d33ae2bf81= 0 =E2=80=94=20 >=20 > > In order to find the optimal cost/benefit ratio, Wirth used a highly in= tuitive metric, the origin of which is unknown to me but that may very well= be Wirth=E2=80=99s own invention. He used the compiler=E2=80=99s self-comp= ilation speed as a measure of the compiler=E2=80=99s quality. Yes, that's it! and alas, I did slightly misremember it. thank you john perry