From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!backlog3.nntp.dca3.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:17:50 -0500 From: Dennis Lee Bieber Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: why the pascal family of languages (Pascal, Ada, Modula-2,2,Oberon, Delphi, Algol,...) failed compared to the C family? Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:17:53 -0400 Organization: IISS Elusive Unicorn Message-ID: References: <2sq2whiog7yc$.1b23fg6l80nh3.dlg@40tude.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 X-No-Archive: YES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.249.21.32 X-Trace: sv3-Rkn+5BSrztGngs75iekN9fKTAHEV+PBQtfgR7pWsYkKEdiC4IWL5eE8OhjUG6xaxVRb4NE2oKhduuTf!YlFZ0xEH6VJCF4N3TthlAAZRq//cc5HmJ2yj2waqIQPUrsGvVsMjiJfe9wR2oIyA090wmeY98AMZ!ULX03AYRBMzxkH3puWoEQnh9CA== X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 2452 X-Received-Bytes: 2564 X-Received-Body-CRC: 4164656473 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:21035 Date: 2014-07-17T22:17:53-04:00 List-Id: On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:20:00 +0200, "Dmitry A. Kazakov" declaimed the following: >On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 12:04:44 +0000 (UTC), Simon Clubley wrote: > >> That was back in the VAX days. There's been a movement towards C within >> later VMS code and you can now write VMS device drivers in C and have >> been able to do so for many years. > >MACRO-11 was a better language than C, IMO. > Was it still called MACRO-11 on VAX/VMS? I thought that was the PDP-11 assembler. Never had to code VAX assembly, did use PDP-11 assembly in my OS class (on LSI-11 hardware). From that exposure, I'd put the Xerox Sigma Meta-Symbol into the running for a good language. As the name implies, Meta-Symbol wasn't tied to one syntax -- it was an assembly language for defining assembly languages (even the Sigma instruction set was defined as one-line macros, and I once out of boredom defined the System file to make Meta-Symbol produce absolute 8080a code files) -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/