From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,c406e0c4a6eb74ed X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!informatik.uni-bremen.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!uni-duisburg.de!not-for-mail From: Georg Bauhaus Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: ADA Popularity Discussion Request Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Organization: GMUGHDU Message-ID: References: <49dc98cf.0408110556.18ae7df@posting.google.com> <4CsVc.28876$9Y6.4063@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: l1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de X-Trace: a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de 1093624009 11204 134.91.1.34 (27 Aug 2004 16:26:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.uni-duisburg.de NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:26:49 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.5.8-20010221 ("Blue Water") (UNIX) (HP-UX/B.11.00 (9000/800)) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:3088 Date: 2004-08-27T16:26:49+00:00 List-Id: Kevin Cline wrote: : The efficacy of much pre-code activity is debatable. Many : organizations have had great success with more agile methods of : minimal up-front design followed by test-driven development and : continuous refactoring. Yes and even some tricks can be helpful to get something going. But how can "refactoring" be done well without quite some thinking and planning, that is without something that happens before coding? Isn't "refactoring" sometimes a redesign of the modular structure of some software? I wouldn't call this activity "coding". -- Georg