From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a6b:1647:: with SMTP id 68-v6mr1182856iow.65.1530909767564; Fri, 06 Jul 2018 13:42:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:4787:: with SMTP id u129-v6mr2524976oia.4.1530909767253; Fri, 06 Jul 2018 13:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.uzoreto.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!d7-v6no3943162itj.0!news-out.google.com!l67-v6ni4171itl.0!nntp.google.com!g2-v6no869047itf.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 13:42:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9bb99fb4-b9c7-4516-97b5-da41466e96be@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=213.108.152.51; posting-account=bMuEOQoAAACUUr_ghL3RBIi5neBZ5w_S NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.108.152.51 References: <856189aa-fa00-4960-929e-174f352310ad@googlegroups.com> <2718c8d4-5f35-4fd8-a1aa-1e60069a7a5d@googlegroups.com> <39fce60c-9f56-42fb-b679-fa08810b00ee@googlegroups.com> <3701bf07-89a5-4cb0-a704-5aebb589ca79@googlegroups.com> <2f5e4ce0-94e8-4b94-9da7-045ec90a9b22@googlegroups.com> <9bb99fb4-b9c7-4516-97b5-da41466e96be@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Teaching C/C++ from Ada perspective? From: Maciej Sobczak Injection-Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 20:42:47 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:53707 Date: 2018-07-06T13:42:47-07:00 List-Id: > > So can you kindly point me to where exactly SEI recommends defining int= eger range types ... >=20 > Maciej, I'll see your integer range types [...] I really appreciate the effort that you have put into copying all this text= here, but it does not actualy answer my question. The Steelman requirement= were intended to drive the design of a new language. It is pointless to us= e it as a benchmark for languages that were not developed within the same c= ompetition. I was asking about today's coding standards that are published by SEI in re= lation to C++. You did not refer to them. If they say nothing about integer= ranges, then it might also indicate that the very long historical connecti= on that you have drawn has lost its meaning even for them. The coding stand= ards that they publish for C++ do not refer to Steelman, so why do you? You did not convince me, so I will repeat: integer ranges do not fit well t= he C++ culture and are not recommended there. > Btw, Maciej, Steelman requirements are governing any programming language= that purports to be a software-in-the-large software-engineering language,= C++ included. No, this is the interpretation that you have made yourself. Even the page t= hat you have linked says: "the original 1978 requirements document for the Ada computer programming l= anguage" These requirements do not govern anything that they were not intended to. M= aking such comparison benchmarks is interesting as a historical study, but = it is far from "governing" anything. In this limited context, the fact that= Ada does not meet the requirements for Ada is more funny than the fact tha= t C++ does not meet them. --=20 Maciej Sobczak * http://www.inspirel.com