From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on ip-172-31-74-118.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Received: by 2002:a37:9a89:: with SMTP id c131mr2624929qke.191.1632814712923; Tue, 28 Sep 2021 00:38:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a25:7396:: with SMTP id o144mr4533612ybc.452.1632814712533; Tue, 28 Sep 2021 00:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.misty.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 00:38:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2a02:2ab8:224:1:89ac:d513:3c78:e889; posting-account=VpkXKAoAAACJdJbPSrB2RRuO-i3D4Q8l NNTP-Posting-Host: 2a02:2ab8:224:1:89ac:d513:3c78:e889 References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to challenge a GCC patch? From: Arnaud Charlet Injection-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 07:38:32 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:62852 List-Id: On Monday, September 27, 2021 at 1:23:39 PM UTC+2, St=C3=A9phane Rivi=C3=A8= re wrote: > Le 27/09/2021 =C3=A0 12:06, J-P. Rosen a =C3=A9crit :=20 > > AdaCore has introduced a patch in FSF GCC to remove ASIS support. > This is all the more surprising since it seems to me that ASIS is still= =20 > in GNAT Pro. What a lack of fairness. We have removed ASIS support first in our own trunk of GNAT, and then 6 mon= ths later we have removed it from the GCC FSF trunk, so talking about lack = of fairness is, well, unfair. Why? Because ASIS is no longer maintained as an internal standard and hasn'= t evolved beyond Ada 95 because there was not enough support in the communi= ty and among vendors, so we've ended up maintaining it on our own for many = years, which lately has become too large a burden. In addition, maintaining= ASIS tree generation in GNAT has been also a challenge and a resource drai= n because each time we make a change in the GNAT front-end, this may break = ASIS and we may have to make difficult investigation and changes and someti= mes almost impossible changes because there are conflicts between the need = of a code generator (GNAT for GCC or LLVM) and the need of an Ada analysis = library (ASIS). So we've decided to address this burden by moving tree generation for ASIS = in a separate branch, so that this maintenance burden on GCC trunk would di= sappear. This has been done both in AdaCore's tree where ASIS now resides on a separ= ate branch, and in GCC FSF where the tree generation is available in GCC 10= .x and works well here, and is available for the community to contribute an= d maintain for as long as needed. Arno